A pedal similar to Tumnus but without upper mid spike?

[cragginshred]

Does this tone sound honky in mids?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Does this tone sound honky in mids?

Not even close

 

[JiveTurkey]

At some point; you're going to come to the realization that you gravitate towards the gained up Marshall VH vibe. No matter what material you are performing. In the same way I have resigned myself to the fact that Love shack performed by myself will always be done with a high gain Boogie of some sort.

 

[cragginshred]

I did this pedal comparison last night. The Tumnus part is the same signal path as the live clip above and a buddy says it is 'cocked wah nasally' ??

 

[cragginshred]

At some point; you're going to come to the realization that you gravitate towards the gained up Marshall VH vibe. No matter what material you are performing. In the same way I have resigned myself to the fact that Love shack performed by myself will always be done with a high gain Boogie of some sort.

Brother I realized that in 1978 when VH I dropped
But yeah I need a certain amount of 'hair' and mids, my buddy who critiqued the tone uses far less gain and does not play as aggressively as I do

 

[JiveTurkey]

Is it your bassist? If so; disregard Analyzing tone in a cover situation, unless it is completely wrong AKA Dimebag tones used for blues or something similarly ridiculous; is not worth the trouble. If you like how you sound and it blends in with the band when you play; that's what matters most.

 

[JasonE]

I think the tone fit in the mix real well. I see you keep adjusting something on the amp when doing comparison. That makes it a little hard to really compare. I heard you say it was the bass you are adjusting. Even that is going to make it sound different and harder to compare. The speakers I am listening on are kind of mid forward due to being small. However, I didn't hear anything that was in cocked wah territory. The mids you have are your friend and are what get you heard in a mix.

 

[cragginshred]

I think the tone fit in the mix real well. I see you keep adjusting something on the amp when doing comparison. That makes it a little hard to really compare. I heard you say it was the bass you are adjusting. Even that is going to make it sound different and harder to compare. The speakers I am listening on are kind of mid forward due to being small. However, I didn't hear anything that was in cocked wah territory. The mids you have are your friend and are what get you heard in a mix.

Impossible to leave the amp settings the same. With the bass at noon with the MTN the open strings are way too boomy
I hear more note definition with the Tumnus and it cuts for sure. I felt like the MTN was fighting me too much and was ready to return it until I tuned the bass down on it and the amp. A friend said it was honky in the mids

Thanks for chiming in!

 

[JiveTurkey]

Honky in the mids = cut through and the audience hears the guitar part.

 

[la szum]

Honky in the mids = cut through and the audience hears the guitar part.

 

[ragingplatypi]

Honky in the mids = cut through and the audience hears the guitar part.

I’ve lost so many beautiful balanced tones to the slings and arrows of live sound. Goodbye my beautiful progeny…

 

[ballhawk]

Does this tone sound honky in mids?

There's no need to insert race into guitar tone discussions

 

[Baba]

Honky in the mids = cut through and the audience hears the guitar part.

Thankfully for me, my finger tone is honk-city, lol.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I did this pedal comparison last night. The Tumnus part is the same signal path as the live clip above and a buddy says it is 'cocked wah nasally' ??

Mids are good, but there can be a point where too much gain + mids = mush/lack of clarity. Maybe try dialing back the gain a bit and adding some extra hair on the treble instead?

 

[Baba]

I will say, I think your friend, (and FuzzyAce as well), are right, the Tumnus does have a little bit of those congested mids, (and therefore cocked wah) sound, at least, compared to the Karma, which I thought sounded VERY good, and now I'm checking out, (thanks for that, lol).

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, can't tell about your tone's mid structure from the live video (from the isolated video I think it should be fine). And that'd be my criticism (to whomever is responsible): your guitar needs to be turned up in the mix quite a bit, simply because you're the only instrument playing chords and hence the only ingredient helping to bring the foundation (bass and drums) and the vocals together. In some parts it's barely audible instead.
And fwiw #2: I'm not saying this as a guitarist but as someone who used to occasionally mix bands (still sometimes mixing my own smaller projects).

 

[saarangnarayan]

Timmy will do that. It’s one of the most versatile overdrives ever. Tbh, if you take the mid-honk out of a Tumnus/Klon, it would no longer be a Tumnus/Klon.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Personally, for all kinds of "middle ground" sort of overdrives, I really learned to absolutely love the J Rockett "The Dude". People usually associate it with D-style amp-alike drives, but IMO once you dial in a bit more treble and bass (they're both extremely efficient as the lows aren't too low and the trebles aren't too shrill), it's akin much more towards whatever classic OD tones. And it's cutting through pretty much any band mix just great, IMO at least (I'm usually running it through the almost completely clean Bassman model of an Amplifirebox).

 

[dronerstone]

Boss OD-3 maybe?

 

[cragginshred]

Fwiw, can't tell about your tone's mid structure from the live video (from the isolated video I think it should be fine). And that'd be my criticism (to whomever is responsible): your guitar needs to be turned up in the mix quite a bit, simply because you're the only instrument playing chords and hence the only ingredient helping to bring the foundation (bass and drums) and the vocals together. In some parts it's barely audible instead.
And fwiw #2: I'm not saying this as a guitarist but as someone who used to occasionally mix bands (still sometimes mixing my own smaller projects).

I've been told this too. Funny the drummer mics the band and he always tells me to turn down BEFORE hearing me in the mix. then when we start playing his drums are 3 x louder than everyone. vocals are always up front.

He knows how to run the system but mixing from the drums is hard because he is not out front. I need to talk to him because i have a really good ear for mixes too. Thanks for chiming in!