80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

Baba said:
Can someone explain the Freebird thing to me? How/why is it (apparently), "funny" to request it, and how did we get here?

I just ignore people at this point, when they request it, even so, it's hard sometimes when someone is holding up their phone with Freebird typed on it, for 3 songs straight.
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AFAIK is a joke, just like requesting whippihg, that developed itself like a meme. There's no reason behind it it just happened.

Frank Zappa ended up adding whipping post to his setlis after a fan, in the 70s, yelled "whipping post!" as joke.

 
Mikael Dez said:
Idk if it’s me but lately I sense a sort of attitude towards bedroom players like they’re inferior or something, or their opinion doesn’t hold as much weight regarding quality of gear. I don’t take offense to it, even being a bedroom player (because fuck you lol), but I find it pretty ridiculous.

I don’t see this mentality in fishing circles, or car circles, or anything else. I think the gigging rock star musician has been put on a pedestal (in a lot of cases justifiably so) so much that it’s difficult for some of y’all to grasp that some of us don’t want to gig. I’d way rather jam with my buddies in a garage with zero audience than go play local shitty bar gigs, or deal with the hassle of larger venues. Idk, my 2 cents.
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Guitarists in forums have always been weirdly fixated on class and hierarchy. From condensation towards “bedroom” players to gatekeeping who is allowed to be called a “pro”.

It doesn’t really exist in the real world, just in forums, and I’ve always thought it was a dumb obsession.


ian_dissonance said:
I just ask them every once and awhile what it feels like to give up on your dreams for money.
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Being a rockstar or writing original music isn’t everyone’s dream
 
Baba said:
Can someone explain the Freebird thing to me? How/why is it (apparently), "funny" to request it, and how did we get here?

I just ignore people at this point, when they request it, even so, it's hard sometimes when someone is holding up their phone with Freebird typed on it, for 3 songs straight.
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It started in the early 70's with the live Fillmore East album from the Alman brothers where someone can be clearly heard yelling out Whipping Post. For whatever reason people thought it was funny and it became a meme before memes were a thing. With Skynard, it became Freebird and it was and is a joke thing where people started screaming "Freebird" or "Whipping Post" at all sorts of concerts and events. See the movie Cars.
 
Karl Houseknecht said:
So I was working at a large fair for the last week. On the free stage there were probably a good dozen different bands at various times throughout the week. These were regional touring groups for the most part. I observed exactly 3 of those bands using real guitar amps. The rest were all modelers. So much for bedroom players.

Of the groups that used modelers, the guitar tone was good. Even for a venue like this. Pretty large band shell. Seating for 500 under cover, but slightly more than that outside. Total around 1000 with bystanders and passers by. Good PA. Half decent sound guy.

Of the 3 bands using real amps, I noted:
  • Marshall plexi full stack - I bet it sounded good to him. In line with him in the audience it was shrill and beaming directly in my face (about a 4 foot stage height). Off axis it was blanketed. In the PA it was non-existent.
  • Deluxe Reverb normal channel with pedals - Blanketed mess on most of his tones. All low end, no highs. Clearly user error. Also not in the PA.
  • Deluxe Reverb vibrato channel with pedals - Country act. Kinda mid honky with not a lot of top end. Not the best tone. Kind of in the PA but not to any great extent.
So the pattern I observed here is that even on a larger stage like this, anyone using amps didn't get put in the mix. Could be the sound guy for sure, but the mix was FAR better when modelers were being used. Outside of the bedroom.
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If we’re gonna play the personal anecdote game:

I’m playing a run of shows right now where I’m using a tube amp and the other two guitarists are using Fractal. All anyone can talk about is how much better my amp sounds than the direct guitars. Even the sound engineer running FOH.

Also, many years ago I switched from an amp to a digital modeler and my first gig with the modeler another guitarist (who had heard me play many times) came up and told me my guitar tone had never sounded so good.
 
HotRats said:
The label "home player" is choosed by the resercher and applied to a subject following some criteria or self applied by the responder.

it just means "a player that moslly use the device at home for whatever reasons"
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It means a player who does not use the device to perform for audiences, more specifically to generate revenue. The economic/marketing conclusion is that most music gear purchases are discretionary, as opposed to, say, purchases of chain motors, road cases, lighting trusses and similar.
 
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I thought working in music tech was living the dream. Nah, it wasn't. Making a living playing Old MacDonald to twinks whilst dressed as a dolphin. Now THAT is pod racing!
 
Chocol8 said:
Oh come on, are you seriously telling us you don't secretly want to play one a thousand more takes of Mustang Sally for a bunch of obnoxiously drunk middle age women?
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I actually used to do that when I was in high school, I don't miss it one bit. The band I really miss now is my Led Zeppelin tribute band in college, that was tons of fun and people lost their fucking minds every time we played out. That band got me laid more than anything else in my life COMBINED.
 
luckymethod said:
The band I really miss now is my Led Zeppelin tribute band in college, that was tons of fun and people lost their fucking minds every time we played out.
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Tribute bands are a curious phenomenon. They cause hate and love in spades.

I play in a tribute band, and must say that I really enjoy it.
 
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