wierd pedal response question

[Boudoir Guitar]

Time based really has to be in an fx loop.
If you amp is doing anything other than getting a fully formed signal to amplify clean and flat it’s going to change it radically and almost always for the worse.

No they don’t. Loads of people much prefer the sound of timebased effects in front of an amp.

You definitely want to have at least your reverb pedal on its own isolated power (you could just give it its own wall wart and use the one spot for everything’s else).

Pedals with internal charge pumps are also known to sometimes cause noise in downstream pedals, but that’s more of a strange whine than a buzz/hum.

 

[newholland]

No they don’t. Loads of people much prefer the sound of timebased effects in front of an amp.

You definitely want to have at least your reverb pedal on its own isolated power (you could just give it its own wall wart and use the one spot for everything’s else).

Pedals with internal charge pumps are also known to sometimes cause noise in downstream pedals, but that’s more of a strange whine than a buzz/hum.

hm. well, the verb isnt the problem, really. ultimately, i think that one is down to just the wessex or the lagrange OR their interaction. neither is noisy by itself- and thats just those in the circuit! its definitely a buzz- no whine.


would an mxr mini isobrick be a decent solution? five isolated outputs, one with potential for 18v. hunnet bux. small enough to fit under my 15" board, i think.

 

[Eagle]

No they don’t. Loads of people much prefer the sound of timebased effects in front of an amp.

You definitely want to have at least your reverb pedal on its own isolated power (you could just give it its own wall wart and use the one spot for everything’s else).

Pedals with internal charge pumps are also known to sometimes cause noise in downstream pedals, but that’s more of a strange whine than a buzz/hum.

If you don't want it to sound like shit anyway

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

If you don't want it to sound like shit anyway

Ah, yes, this shitty sounding Fender amps with built in reverb that sits…after a pristine preamp circuit but before a compressing/often clipping power amp section.

 

[newholland]

Question, do you have to run them together? Seems like the Lagrange would be sufficient on its own since it has a boost too. Maybe a loop switcher would be a nice option. Just trying to help you spend money.

i definitely dont, in reality. the wessex does hot rod harmonics in the midrange though something fierce, and bounce, even barely grazing the signal- so its super fun- but theres loads of flexibility in the lagrange thatll compensate.

the boost on the lagrange is after the dirt sadly, so all it does is make stuff louder :/ not super useful to me on rhythm duty- but i was using it to boost the wessex cause.. why not? its a SHO circuit!

i guess ill see if a power brick gets me fixed up!

 

[Eagle]

Ah, yes, this shitty sounding Fender amps with built in reverb that sits…after a pristine preamp circuit but before a compressing/often clipping power amp section.

Totally depends on how much gain and where you get it from but as a rule it is a bad idea.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Totally depends on how much gain and where you get it from but as a rule it is a bad idea.

It's good til it's bad. Which is not good.

 

[Eagle]

It's good til it's bad. Which is not good.

precisely !

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

It's good til it's bad. Which is not good.

All of which is subjective and might be different from player to player.

 

[dronerstone]

Totally depends on how much gain and where you get it from but as a rule it is a bad idea.

Kinda agree about the gain part, in the end it remains a matter of taste and depends on the style/genre you play.

Personally, I prefer placing reverb before the preamp, but I'm running higher gain fuzz/drive very early in chain, with the preamp set to a bold edge of breakup tone.

 

[FuzzyAce]

All of which is subjective and might be different from player to player.

I almost never ran time-based stuff in an effects loop personally.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Kinda agree about the gain part, in the end it remains a matter of taste and depends on the style/genre you play.

Personally, I prefer placing reverb before the preamp, but I'm running higher gain fuzz/drive very early in chain, with the preamp set to a bold edge of breakup tone.

Same. I always preferred a really clean or eob base tone, mainly single channel amps. I have channel switcher amps with loops though but rarely used loops. Plus, I've never been a super high gainer.

 

[newholland]

yeah- im at half gain on a jtm type circuit here- which is dirty and saturating, but by any modern standard, NOT high gain. itd blow up a verb pretty hard though.

the wessex in front of the lagrange is making a dif- so did blowing out the jacks with contact cleaner!

 

[Sascha Franck]

Fwiw, yes, a PSU with dedicated, isolated outs per unit is a great idea, but for anything analog cabled up serially it's not necessarily a must (usually a tad better, though). However, as has been pointed out, any digital units should really run on their own isolated outputs, no daisy chaining at all between digital devices, either.
And fwiw #2: If you want an inexpensive PSU solution, go Harley Benton. IMO they punch *way* above their price. Got 3 different ones, partially working since years, not one single issue.

 

[newholland]

thanks everyone! ill have a look into the harley benton psus- i dunno if theyre as available on this side if the atlantic, but theres quite a few small isolated 5 out units thatd fit under the dingy board i ordered thats about 3 and change mm (1.2") deep. will look though and report back!

 

[newholland]

okay! perfect fit with an ernie ball volt! dag this thing is tiny- its only 7/8" thick! the bad news is.. pedals still buzz. granted im using p90s and theyre the torture test- but was hoping for less noise. buckers- absolutely tomb silent LOUD. so ill just velcro this dude in the bottom of the board when it arrives and tidy up with better cabling!

 

[Sascha Franck]

buckers- absolutely tomb silent

So there you have it - no PSUs will help you in that case at all.

 

[newholland]

So there you have it - no PSUs will help you in that case at all.

itd appear not!
that said- a more resilient solution aint bad anyhow. i live in an area with overhead wires- so its probably from that. funnily- none of my amps alone manifest that- just pedals. sigh.

regardless- ill work with it!

 

[dronerstone]

itd appear not!
that said- a more resilient solution aint bad anyhow. i live in an area with overhead wires- so its probably from that. funnily- none of my amps alone manifest that- just pedals. sigh.

regardless- ill work with it!

Get a gate. Took me almost 30 years to realize...

 

[newholland]

Get a gate. Took me almost 30 years to realize...

hm.. are they pretty sensitive? my worry is itll close while im playing quietly! theyre a bit of a PITA trying to use them after the fact recording, for sure!