Where should he put it? In the future….

[the swede]

Basically I’m done (theoretically and planned) with my board. At least the layout and what I want to use (2 delays, 2 reverbs, fuzz, drive, tuner, looper, infinite sustainer). Those are the foundation and even if I change a pedal for another brand, it will look like that.

The last spot is that I absolutely want a trem thing.

But where do I put it? Think like me now, like a post-rock nerd. I never really analyzed or thought about where it should go in a post-rock sense. I don’t care much about traditional or correct. Where does it sounds best?

I know trem usually and traditionally was the last thing (when it’s in an amp).

So trem is basically volume up and down. If last it would chop my ambience probably depending on how it’s set. I think I want it before my last reverb at least, to reverberate the trem waves. Then I have another reverb early in the chain but I wouldn’t use that with trem.

Then it’s delays… do I even want to use delay and trem at the same time? When I think about it I don’t think I’ve heard that, maybe it’s a useless combination. But maybe cool things could happen with trem after a long powerful delay? Idk…

Trem before delay doesn’t seem to make sense unless (theoretically) the rythm or bpm or whatever we can call it, is the same but alternating. But I don’t tap tempo and whatever trem I get won’t have tap tempo either.

I guess wherever could be cool placement. But at least I’d like to hear your opinions.

Most probably I’ll use it for clean slow parts with a touch of reverb. Mostly.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Experiment. Theoretically you could use before gain too. Ask yourself, do you want to modulate distortion or distort modulation? Do you want to modulate reverb/delay or reverb/delay modulation? There is no wrong answer.

 

[the swede]

Experiment. Theoretically you could use before gain too. Ask yourself, do you want to modulate distortion or distort modulation? Do you want to modulate reverb/delay or reverb/delay modulation? There is no wrong answer.

Why do you have to go all scientific on me bro



Jk! Thanks!

 

[the swede]

Excuse me for linking music from YT.
But this would be close to how i would use a trem

 

[FuzzyAce]

Why do you have to go all scientific on me bro



Jk! Thanks!

Don't worry, that's about as scientific as I'll get on this forum. Lucky you guys!

 

[the swede]

Experiment. Theoretically you could use before gain too. Ask yourself, do you want to modulate distortion or distort modulation? Do you want to modulate reverb/delay or reverb/delay modulation? There is no wrong answer.

Interesting about before and after gain! Hadn’t thought about that so that I definitely need to try. I would always be placed before ambient stuff then. So that’s a consideration to.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Excuse me for linking music from YT.
But this would be close to how i would use a trem

Sounds like the verb is modulating in the intro.

 

[the swede]

Sounds like the verb is modulating in the intro.

Or the reverb is after the trem, because I hear the reverb continues on the harder plucks

 

[FuzzyAce]

Or the reverb is after the trem, because I hear the reverb continues on the harder plucks

I still think the trem is after. It is possible the recording has a slight reverb added post but it's hard to tell that.
If you like the sound of old Fender amps (like the example is going for), then trem is after reverb.

 

[Orvillain]

I think the trem is after in that track, but the depth is not high enough to completely cut out the audio during the downward part of the trem cycle.

As ever... I'd say experiment... but my impression of trem is, the more effects you add after it, the less important the trem is to the final tone. I'd put it after the spatial effects and set a lot depth so it just adds a little bit of animation, but doesn't do the super choppy helicopter thing.

 

[dk_ace]

Trem sounds cool before drive, after drive but before reverb, and after the reverb. You need 3 tremolos…

D

 

[TSJMajesty]

Have you seen this? It might give you some ideas, especially near the end. (It's not delay, but still...)

 

[JiveTurkey]

Helicopter tremolo is what I am all about

 

[the swede]

but the depth is not high enough to completely cut out the audio during the downward part of the trem cycle.

Well this was a good point. Something I haven’t even considered! I guess i thought there wasn’t a “mix” function in tremolos. But that gives me a whole other view on it actually.

Well now i feel dumb. Of course a trem could be sett to let signal through….

I’m imagining a volume knob sweeping between a value but also signal passing through it regardless of the value

?

 

[Orvillain]

Well this was a good point. Something I haven’t even considered! I guess i thought there wasn’t a “mix” function in tremolos. But that gives me a whole other view on it actually.

Well now i feel dumb. Of course a trem could be sett to let signal through….

I’m imagining a volume knob sweeping between a value but also signal passing through it regardless of the value

?

You can think of the depth knob on this not really as a mix, but more as a gain control for the underlying LFO that performs the motion:

So at minimum position, the LFO is still being generated, but it is being scaled by 0% - so.. no effect...

Half way through the knob travel (ideally anyway!) it is being scaled by 50% .... and then full whack it is being scaled by 100%, which is typically when you'd get the ramping effect where the signal goes to silence and you start to hear the helicopter gaps.

I'm heavily simplifying. I'm sure there's much more going on with the circuit. But yeah, it isn't really a mix blend or anything like that.

 

[the swede]

Looking around a little and i think i will try something odd just to try avoid focusing my thoughts on “traditional” or such. So thomman has some great black week deals.

This looks and sounds odd enough

Pigtronix Moon Pool

Effect Pedal for Electric Guitar/Bass Tremvelope phase shifter with 2 independently adjustable effects, Controls: 2x speed (each for phaser & tremolo effect), sensitivity, depth, 3x Mini toggle switches for dynamics (1x phaser & tremolo each, 1x...

www.thomann.de

Mini is what I need for this last pedal spot, and bonus if it can do some more things than just trem.

 

[Diary Of An Axeman]

This device has the most unique Tremolo that I ever heard.
People who own these, love the Vibrato it provides, it like a wiggly liquid type of Tremolo.