What happened to that "home made" modeler?

Also - while tye Atomic Amplifire series does have tone stack knobs, aside from that, the only real UI difference is that instead of joystick navigation amongst a few panels you have to just…keep clicking that button until you get to a menu. And then do similar for sub menus. In other words … the UI on this thing is a step UP in a lot of ways by comparison.
 
When’s the last time you considered that when buying an electronics device?
I'm not speaking from the consumer's standpoint here. (It never seemed realistic to me that this would make it into consumer sales channels.) I'm just talking about whether the exorbitant price tag makes the guy's efforts/ skills/ results any less impressive. I can be pretty forgiving about the price when I figure that a. the guy probably isn't expecting to compete with Line 6 et al, and b. he probably spent years working on something with the expectation of hand building a dozen of them.

What I'm less forgiving of is a guy building an amp simulator and then pretending that having 2 or 3 fewer knobs than even the simplest amp he's modeled is somehow a good thing.

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Also - while tye Atomic Amplifire series does have tone stack knobs, aside from that, the only real UI difference is that instead of joystick navigation amongst a few panels you have to just…keep clicking that button until you get to a menu. And then do similar for sub menus. In other words … the UI on this thing is a step UP in a lot of ways by comparison.
See also Tone X? But why are we going out of our way to set the bar so low?
 
Because those products are evidence that this thing isn’t effectively dead without a better Ui as a lot of posts suggest?
I take your point. Then again, see JiveTurkey's counterpoint. :D

More seriously: both the Amplifire and ToneX are considerably simpler (i.e. few functions, systems, effects, etc.) than the SIVA. And both were build to suit a price point, and a footprint. The SIVA costs $1K+ and has a vast expanse of bare sheet metal on top serving no purpose. Missed opportunity? :idk
 
Also - while tye Atomic Amplifire series does have tone stack knobs, aside from that, the only real UI difference is that instead of joystick navigation amongst a few panels you have to just…keep clicking that button until you get to a menu. And then do similar for sub menus. In other words … the UI on this thing is a step UP in a lot of ways by comparison.

Yeah well, apart from the ampstack, nobody has ever been raving about the onboard UI of whatever Atomic devices. So that's possibly not exactly the best thing to compare a product to.
 
See also Tone X? But why are we going out of our way to set the bar so low?

IMO, apart from the annoyance that you can't easily access the second level parameters and apart from the encoders not being endless ones (which would be a way more elegant solution), I don't think the ToneX onboard UI is all that bad. Pretty much all of the most commonly used parameters are exposed all the time, which IMO is a good thing.
 
IMO, apart from the annoyance that you can't easily access the second level parameters and apart from the encoders not being endless ones (which would be a way more elegant solution), I don't think the ToneX onboard UI is all that bad. Pretty much all of the most commonly used parameters are exposed all the time, which IMO is a good thing.
Don't make me post my Kingpin "wasn't that bad" meme again. ;)

I suppose the ToneX UI is fine if you don't try to dive below the surface often. I wanted to do wild and crazy things such as adjust reverb parameters now and then, and... yeah, no. Another "minor" annoyance (which persists to this day when I try to use the s/w version) is I never have any idea whether a "model" (don't get me started) is an amp, or a cab, or a drive pedal, or some combination of the above...

I digress, if only to prove that I can be a dick about anything. :D
 
Yeah well, apart from the ampstack, nobody has ever been raving about the onboard UI of whatever Atomic devices. So that's possibly not exactly the best thing to compare a product to.
As I said, the point was just to note that this wasn’t the singular worst UI that everyone was making it out to be.

Side note: I wish we had a separate UI sub forum and any discussion of UI outside that sub forum = automatic ban
 
Oh god that f****ing thread. I distinctly remember watching it happen in real time; that was the beginning of my (current) disgust with TGP in general.

I understand the Siva is a bit rough around the edges, but i wonder if any of those morons stopped to watch this:



To recap, this an end-to-end SPICE modelling unit - the only one i'm aware of besides Fractal products. With Wi-Fi audio inputs. USB recording output. Free-form signal paths. A shitton of cabs, effects and models. A single control UX which honestly looks better than some units i've seen people raving about in forums... and it was all put together by a single guy?

My professional background is electronics and software engineering, and i tell you, i was just floored when i saw that video.

From an engineering standpoint it is VERY impressive (EE / CompE background myself). I do understand though from a product standpoint some of the griping as it is a very mature and competitive market (heck look at what we still do to NDSP lol). Plus we are dicks after all.

PS: my favorite was the bastard child of a WIFI router and POD Go. Damn!
 
The only relevant aspect for the product in that thread—beside the poor promotional material—was the guy let his ego get in the way of constructive criticism at the time. Though to his credit in the future he did eventually implement some of the feedback.
Yeah, and also, for those who didn’t see the thread as it was happening: the guy was also replying with quite a bit of cheeky insults and snark of his own, which he later edited or deleted entirely.

It was a rough introduction, but the way he was responding is part of the reason the tone of the thread continued to devolve.
 
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