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What are you guys using for your "FRFR" needs?
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JiveTurkey
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I love my Stomp and other L6 pieces over the years. This one was a weird one that might have been a bit ahead of its time I think.Yes for sure but line6 gonna Line6
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What about the "weirdness in gain staging"?
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Yeah I'm also curious as to this
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I owned the basic Powercab 112 and literally never bothered to use it in anything but Flat ("FRFR") mode.
They're rugged, loud and very clear sounding, but if you don't care about any of the extra doodads then... yeah, there're cheaper alternatives which do the exact same.
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I assume the corner thing was a joke. But especially for home playing....
The thing that made modeling click for me (which was with an original Simplifier) was putting one old studio monitor just off the floor where I would put a guitar cab and running it into that. I think the first time I did it, I actually sat the speaker on top of my amp. After I moved the amp (and sold it), I put the speaker on a box/stand thing and some wood wedges to point it a bit more toward my head to hear more treble.
Accurate...no. Not in a tuned studio kind of way. Not the least bit because the extra speakers I had lying around were gen1 KRK RP5s.
Exactly like a cab...also no. But putting a speaker where you would put a guitar cab goes a long way toward making an IR sound more like a cab because of how it interacts with the room. It still won't be the same(tm), especially if you're used to the beaminess of a 4x12. But, it can be a very good experience. And "not crap" studio monitors can be had for under $200. The big downside is that they won't do stage volume, and the cones are fragile if you're moving them around. But most of them are going to sound better at 80-90dB than your Headrush.
I had an ISP Vector FS8 for a little while. My experience was that it was noisy as hell (amp hiss) and a lot louder than I needed for home.
I can play through my (very nice) mains in my well-treated room, but I still mostly play for fun with a single studio monitor in the "wrong" spot. It's simpler and feels like at least a step toward playing an amp and away from playing in a control room.
I've been considering a Fender FR-12 (I played one in a shop on Tuesday...had to get them to get it from the back). But...idk. If it were tweed-styled, I'd probably buy it. I'm considering either keeping doing what I'm doing or just getting a cab.
I have used Fractal gear since 2011. During this time I have used a number of "FRFR" speakers, including a pair of 1st gen QSC K12s, an Alto TS112, a CLR, Fender FR10, and an EV PXM-12MP. Here are some observations on my experience.
The K12s did indeed sound harsh. But man, did they move some air. When I first got them I turned them up loud, and they moved so much air that they started swaying the hanging blinds on my patio sliding glass door. I considered replacing them due to the harshness, but also didn't mind it much during gigs. The high end cut through. I ended up having to sell them due to a divorce, so whether or not to keep them became a moot question.
Alto TSA112 - it was passable. I knew it wasn't my forever solution, but it worked well enough while I got back on my feet after the divorce. Truth is I might have used it for a while. I picked it up used for $100 it I didn't hate it. Eventually one of the XLR inputs got static. There was a second XLR, which is what I used for a few months, but I eventually replaced it because of reliability concerns.
The CLR sounded great, but I had a really difficult time getting support from Tom King. He was very nice to me once we started to have a conversation about my issue, but it took 3 - 4 months. Waiting that long for a response to an email doesn't work for me, so I sold it (at a loss) and then bought the EV.
Like many people, I liked the FR10. However, it wasn't loud enough to keep up with the band I was in at the time. To my ear (admittedly I do not have golden ears. I'm just speaking to my personal preference) the EV PXM-12MP sounded just fine. The EV is much louder and close enough to the same weight. I ended up trading the FR10 for a second EV PXM-12MP.
I never did a head to head comparison between the EV and the CLR, but I'm completely happy with the EV.
I have a high end Yamaha PA, so I have an interest in the Yamaha coaxial speakers that are positioned to compete with the EVs. But I like the EVs enough that I'm in no hurry to switch (or spend more money).
Unfortunately, I would not buy another CLR. There are many people who had an experience similar to mine - needing product support and having to wait for months to get help. The CLRs do sound good. But I'm just as happy with the EVs, and Electro-Voice has excellent customer service. So I'm happy with the EVs and fully satisfied with their performance. But I should mention that the "amp-in-the-room" experience is not high on my priority list. I have two tube amps - a Mesa Boogie Lonestar Special and a Tone King Imperial MKII. I do power up either of these amps now and again, and I'm glad that I have them. But I would never switch back to relying only on a tube amp. The Fractal FM9/FM3 just sounds good, is versatile, light to carry, extremely reliable, has a plethora of great effects, and doesn't require the expense of tube replacement and other maintenance. And I have the flexibility of the grid to easily setup different amp and effect signal chains. Especially with recent firmware, the tones are really, really good. For me, it's an easy choice to choose Fractal.
I should mention that I'm equipment agnostic. I think that any tool that works for a person is good enough. I don't get into the modeler/profiler "holy wars" about which is the "best" platform. If the tool is inspiring and supports your creativity then it is the right tool, regardless of brand.
Of course, these are just my observations and opinions. YMMV
The K12s did indeed sound harsh. But man, did they move some air. When I first got them I turned them up loud, and they moved so much air that they started swaying the hanging blinds on my patio sliding glass door. I considered replacing them due to the harshness, but also didn't mind it much during gigs. The high end cut through. I ended up having to sell them due to a divorce, so whether or not to keep them became a moot question.
Alto TSA112 - it was passable. I knew it wasn't my forever solution, but it worked well enough while I got back on my feet after the divorce. Truth is I might have used it for a while. I picked it up used for $100 it I didn't hate it. Eventually one of the XLR inputs got static. There was a second XLR, which is what I used for a few months, but I eventually replaced it because of reliability concerns.
The CLR sounded great, but I had a really difficult time getting support from Tom King. He was very nice to me once we started to have a conversation about my issue, but it took 3 - 4 months. Waiting that long for a response to an email doesn't work for me, so I sold it (at a loss) and then bought the EV.
Like many people, I liked the FR10. However, it wasn't loud enough to keep up with the band I was in at the time. To my ear (admittedly I do not have golden ears. I'm just speaking to my personal preference) the EV PXM-12MP sounded just fine. The EV is much louder and close enough to the same weight. I ended up trading the FR10 for a second EV PXM-12MP.
I never did a head to head comparison between the EV and the CLR, but I'm completely happy with the EV.
I have a high end Yamaha PA, so I have an interest in the Yamaha coaxial speakers that are positioned to compete with the EVs. But I like the EVs enough that I'm in no hurry to switch (or spend more money).
Unfortunately, I would not buy another CLR. There are many people who had an experience similar to mine - needing product support and having to wait for months to get help. The CLRs do sound good. But I'm just as happy with the EVs, and Electro-Voice has excellent customer service. So I'm happy with the EVs and fully satisfied with their performance. But I should mention that the "amp-in-the-room" experience is not high on my priority list. I have two tube amps - a Mesa Boogie Lonestar Special and a Tone King Imperial MKII. I do power up either of these amps now and again, and I'm glad that I have them. But I would never switch back to relying only on a tube amp. The Fractal FM9/FM3 just sounds good, is versatile, light to carry, extremely reliable, has a plethora of great effects, and doesn't require the expense of tube replacement and other maintenance. And I have the flexibility of the grid to easily setup different amp and effect signal chains. Especially with recent firmware, the tones are really, really good. For me, it's an easy choice to choose Fractal.
I should mention that I'm equipment agnostic. I think that any tool that works for a person is good enough. I don't get into the modeler/profiler "holy wars" about which is the "best" platform. If the tool is inspiring and supports your creativity then it is the right tool, regardless of brand.
Of course, these are just my observations and opinions. YMMV
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