Treble bleed with 50s wiring

[HomespunEffects]

I’m not sure if it was here or TOP™ but whoever told me to not use a treble bleed with 50s wiring, you’re full of beans. I just finished putting them in my SG and my Les Paul. They’re better than ever.

 

[HomespunEffects]

“YoU cAn’T uSe A tReBlE bLEeD wItH 50s WiRiNg.”

 

[Frankencat]

You can do it but it messes too much with the pot interaction. Personally I prefer modern wiring for that reason, even without a treble bleed.

 

[HomespunEffects]

You can do it but it messes too much with the pot interaction. Personally I prefer modern wiring for that reason, even without a treble bleed.

The Kinman series treble bleed doesn’t seem to mess with it like a parallel treble bleed can.

 

[Joshual-L]

For treble bleed I only use a 1 nF capacitor, it works the best for me.
I just wired a .022 with 50 wiring and it works really great.

 

[Jarick]

I don't think I've ever tried them together. I didn't find any benefit to 50s wiring. Big fan of modern wiring with a treble bleed. I like the John Suhr 680pf / 180k in parallel. I ordered a bunch of caps and resistors nearly a decade ago and still have a bunch left. PRS 180pf by itself is good for dark humbucker guitars.

 

[State of Epicicity]

Very cool idea. I've never heard of anyone using that, and now I'd love to try it myself.

I'm using a parallel 82nF 150k bleed at the moment for each humbucker on an HH superstrat, with two 250k volume pots and no tone pots. It's working well for me.

I used to use 50 Les Paul wiring with dual concentrics, but modern with a bleed was more efficient for my playing style. I would use a .010 tone cap for the bridge .015 for the neck, which worked well for the brightness, and I think I would've switched to dual gang for each pickup, because I tended to find the best tone involved rolling back the tone knob exactly with the volume knob.

 

[Eagle]

I like the effect of slightly lowering the volume without a treble bleed. A Strat on 7 smooths out the leads . Lots of players use this , Eric Johnson for one.

 

[HomespunEffects]

… A Strat on 7 smooths out the leads . …

It does but when you go lower it just get too dark. I like to be able to go down to about 3.

I’m not exactly certain if I use a Modern or 50s scheme on my strats.

 

[HomespunEffects]

I don't think I've ever tried them together. I didn't find any benefit to 50s wiring. Big fan of modern wiring with a treble bleed. I like the John Suhr 680pf / 180k in parallel. I ordered a bunch of caps and resistors nearly a decade ago and still have a bunch left. PRS 180pf by itself is good for dark humbucker guitars.

Before I traded away my Ibanez i tried 50s wiring with no treble bleed. It absolutely ruined the tone with the Bare Knuckle Nailbomb. It’s not great in all guitars.

 

[Eagle]

Before I traded away my Ibanez i tried 50s wiring with no treble bleed. It absolutely ruined the tone with the Bare Knuckle Nailbomb. It’s not great in all guitars.

Yes I get it and have treble circuits in some guitars but I don’t use them by default. I also clip on several and try them before I hard wire anything in.

 

[HomespunEffects]

Yes I get it and have treble circuits in some guitars but I don’t use them by default. I also clip on several and try them before I hard wire anything in.

Yeah, that’s a good idea to run a clip to the volume pot. I could try different values in each guitar.

I keep intending to build a decade box, I just never do it.

 

[Jarick]

I think the only guitars I wouldn’t use treble bleed would be lower output single coils that are already really bright.

 

[la szum]

I like the effect of slightly lowering the volume without a treble bleed. A Strat on 7 smooths out the leads . Lots of players use this , Eric Johnson for one.

Yes! Or even dial your entire rig to sound great with the volume and tone rolled back just
a touch, so you have room to go louder and brighter if you want to.