Tone is in the Fingers (and hand, and arm, and shoulder)

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Bryan Sutton has probably put more time into developing his right hand technique than everyone around here combined have spent auditioning IRs. This whole video is fantastic if you want to start from the beginning, as is any where he talks for a while (there's one he did with Marcel's Bluegrass Lessons a few years ago that is fantastic for anyone interested in improvisation in any context).

 
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Did you listen to the clip? If you can’t change the sound of your guitar that dramatically, on demand, mid phrase, with your technique, no need to wonder what a tube amp might bring to the table.

Not yet but really, I just really enjoy the way you write. It’s funny as hell.
 
Timestamp is just "con sordino" which on guitar can be achieved either by picking hand (palm mute) or by fretting hand (playing on frets).
Nothing revolutionary or unheard of, especially not something that guitarist usually think of when they say "toan is in teh fingers" which usually has nothing to do with toan but with musical expression and guitar faces.
 
Timestamp is just "con sordino" which on guitar can be achieved either by picking hand (palm mute) or by fretting hand (playing on frets).
Nothing revolutionary or unheard of, especially not something that guitarist usually think of when they say "toan is in teh fingers" which usually has nothing to do with toan but with musical expression and guitar faces.
There is no palm mute going on?

Some folks may mean “tone is in the fingers” to mean note choice, I dunno. Me? I’ve been spending a lot of time that last year or so working on technique as it relates to tone production….
 
There is no palm mute going on?

Some folks may mean “tone is in the fingers” to mean note choice, I dunno. Me? I’ve been spending a lot of time that last year or so working on technique as it relates to tone production….

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There is no palm mute going on?

Some folks may mean “tone is in the fingers” to mean note choice, I dunno. Me? I’ve been spending a lot of time that last year or so working on technique as it relates to tone production….
To me, it is definitely not note choice. It is how a person attacks the strings and the dynamics they play with. It also involves left hand technique and how they use vibrato and how the hand frets the strings. Some people have a thinner sound to their playing and someone else can play the same guitar and rig and sound much fatter. I have seen this a lot when getting up on stage and playing other people's guitars at gigs and letting others come up and play my stuff. It really is about technique. Note choice is about knowledge and selection. That has a sound but not necessarily a tone.
 
Bryan Sutton has probably put more time into developing his right hand technique than everyone around here combined have spent auditioning IRs. This whole video is fantastic if you want to start from the beginning, as is any where he talks for a while (there's one he did with Marcel's Bluegrass Lessons a few years ago that is fantastic for anyone interested in improvisation in any context).


He is such a ridiculously great player.
This video opens up so many cans of worms in such rapid succession...
Unbelievable.
 
Timestamp is just "con sordino" which on guitar can be achieved either by picking hand (palm mute) or by fretting hand (playing on frets).
Nothing revolutionary or unheard of, especially not something that guitarist usually think of when they say "toan is in teh fingers" which usually has nothing to do with toan but with musical expression and guitar faces.

Can't say I've ever seen the correlation between these things once in my 31 years playing.
 
There isn't, but:

He's changing pick angle slightly which affects the tone, but look at his fretting hand moving forward - backward (on the fret - behind the fret).
The timestamp that I get when I click on it is 7:54. He is playing an open string. So, uh, yeah.

Yes, all of this is "simple". Palm muting is "simple". Adjusting your fret hand is "simple". Vibrato is "simple". But if a player is still palm muting the way he palm muted the first day he was introduced the topic, or his vibrato has not grown/evolved since the first time he figured out how to do it . . . then I don't know why that player would be remotely worried about what amplifier or modeler to use.

And while each of those things might be "simple", what is decidedly not simple is implementing all of them, in various ways, at various times, for specific purpose and intent throughout a performance.
 
The timestamp that I get when I click on it is 7:54. He is playing an open string. So, uh, yeah.

Yes, all of this is "simple". Palm muting is "simple". Adjusting your fret hand is "simple". Vibrato is "simple". But if a player is still palm muting the way he palm muted the first day he was introduced the topic, or his vibrato has not grown/evolved since the first time he figured out how to do it . . . then I don't know why that player would be remotely worried about what amplifier or modeler to use.

And while each of those things might be "simple", what is decidedly not simple is implementing all of them, in various ways, at various times, for specific purpose and intent throughout a performance.

It's just all so seemingly subtle and nuanced, and that is probably where the artistry and experience comes
in.... if it comes at all. :idk

Like when we are babies---our motor skills are not yet refined and capable of such subtlety
and nuance as we grow older. They are very, very gross movements and gestures when we
are learning and so clumsy in our movements.

I once heard someone say that the evolution of every endeavour of human engagement is
from the gross to the subtle. Maybe that's why the masters always make everything look so easy.
All of the years of progression towards ever more and more subtle gestures are lost on the
novice. We don't even see the million little things they are capable of. Too subtle. :LOL:
 
When guitarist talk about "toan is in the fingers" and then you ask them to lower bass and treble and increase mids with nothing but fretting fingers they get angry and explanations start to roll in.

By the wording of that, I know you know that's not an achievable task. Add in the picking hand and you can do it based on where you pick the strings and your pick angle.

"Fingers" isn't "The only fingers Trooper wants you to use to prove his point", it includes all 10 of them.
 
"Fingers" isn't "The only fingers Trooper wants you to use to prove his point", it includes all 10 of them.
(and the hand, and arm, and shoulder). And of course, it's not the only thing that impacts tone. But the only music I can think where it isn't a very important part of the tone...is not music that moves me much.
 
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