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AI doesn't need to do a good job to ruin our proverbial day. It might do so even quicker by doing things terribly.
The Official Original Artificial Intelligence We're All F***ing Doomed Thread
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I see a lot of kids growing up quite differently than I did, and it's also a massive bummer. (And this in spite of the fact that most of the kids I observe today are far more privileged than I was.)
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Sorry to hear you must have had a tough go. I wish kids grew up more like I did. Middle class, relatively quiet neighborhood, outside until the street lights come on. Watch TV at night or Saturday morning. No internet. No social media. I wish I appreciated more when I was experiencing it.
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Is this the MkIII profiling? I heard it's actually the same DSP chip inside.
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Is this the MkIII profiling? I heard it's actually the same DSP chip inside.
Sharpe's about to tell us....
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My bigger point was in regard to Orvie’s response about having kids and showing two sides of a coin as it related to the discussion of a future civilization; while we both grew up in shitty situations, “human is gonna human” did not apply to both us. And that’s not to say Drew is a bad person for having kids and I’m awesome, we had different experiences growing up, but despite the similar metrics/shared shitty experience, different paths were taken in the long run in how we moved forward with our own lives.
And if ya grew up where I did, chances are your parents wouldn’t have let you hang out with me due to where I lived and my stepdad’s name being in the police log every other month.
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Also definitely true!
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What hell did the Native Americans devolve into (other than not having the guns to fight it's invaders - or do you not consider them a society)? They were certainly in line with the ONE that I originally stated and started this hatred for ideas.
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So what is the solution then? Do we not propose ideas for what we think is best for society and even if we do, do not pursue them? Do not talk about them? How do we move forward or is all cool as is?
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I've not made any proscriptions along any lines like that, and I'm not even at the point of trying to answer those questions. I'm critiquing the guidestones, nothing more.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to. You're gonna have to be a bit less emotional and a bit more communicative please.
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And to think we have only lost half of the arctic ice cap in the last 45 years. What an idiot Gore!
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So a new technology is invented. Naysayers do not want to adopt it, but it is an obvious way to reduce the harm humans are inflicting on the planet. Thus this new technology is forced upon them against their will and completely changes their life. So technological progression, unless forced upon people is worthless I would imagine in many cases, but that would change their way of life. What do we do then with the new technological progressions that will help us deal with problems?
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There’s been several civilizations that were pretty good at being not-us, none free from warring with other humans, though. Or even other humanoids, as we now know our ancestors were at war with our predecessors….and sometimes bangin’ them. While the Mayans and Incas often went to war with other tribes, they took great care of their own community and very little poverty existed. Same for the Egyptians.
Sometimes I wonder if the “hidden/stolen history” crap that’s spewed as “ancient technology” is actually nothing more than “everyone worked together as a society because of a shared respect for their situation, knowing they were stronger working as one rather than trying to cut each other down”
How many years was it believed the pyramids were built using slave labor, only to find out the builders were actually extremely well taken care of and slavery had nothing to do with it. The builders cared as much about the job as the pharaoh requesting it.
Alas, Rome couldn’t handle Egypt being as badass as it was and Spain couldn’t allow all those silly tribes to play with all that gold.
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And I am asking what is the solution if what is said on the Guidestone's is ALL wrong and a dystopian nightmare fuel wishlist. What do we do to talk about these things if not make suggestions and philosophize about solutions?
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Your quote was:
I am saying that the first post from the guidestones that set you off, was very much in line with the Native American culture and view of nature. So their way of life was one of the "dystopian things that the stones describe". And I am not aware of their society devolving into hell (except by the hands of the Europeans). So you asked for an example, and I was providing you with one to try to ease your mind that such a society that adopts one or more of these principles, can avoid devolving into a hell (by their own actions).
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And I'm asking you to relax and engage in good faith, I won't engage if you're just going to keep gish galloping and hurr-durring your way through this.
To answer your question, we do exactly what we do already - we engage in debate to win positions over policy that slowly shift the societal overton window (to use a metaphor) while at the same time investing time, money, resources, and energy into finding solutions. We already have a process for this. We debate. We argue. We test ideas against reality.
We also need to be very careful about who gets to define the solutions and how they’re enforced.
That’s really my issue with the Guidestones. It’s not that they try to address real problems - resource use, sustainability, long-term thinking - those are valid. It’s that they imply a top-down, globally enforced vision of how humanity should live. And history shows that whenever you centralise that kind of decision-making, you don’t eliminate human flaws like ideology, tribalism, or power-seeking - you just give them more leverage.
Take climate change for example - there is an argument that no-one is doing a bigger job to give us a better future than car companies and energy companies. Car companies are major drivers of decarbonisation for example. Energy companies are essential to the transition, they are heavily investing in renewables, hydrogen, carbon capture technologies. There is no transition without them.
But take the Green Party here in the UK, they focus on trying to control overconsumption (not a goal that is feasible), shift away from car dependency (I keep asking people on LinkedIn just how I'd transport an Ampeg 8x10 from gig to gig using a cargo bike), and other policies that restrict personal freedom and choice. For sure they want to do the obvious stuff like moving to electrics, but so does everyone. They're quite uniquely positioned when it comes to how restrictive they want people to live.
And we have modern day examples of where that leads; look at the China social credit system. Do you want to live like that? I don't.
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Right, so that Native American culture thing isn't really true in the first place. You're relying on a heavily romanticised interpretation of how they lived their lives. And, there certainly were hellish aspects of their society; except we're not just talking about one society. That's a myth too. The Native Americans were a collective of hundreds of different localised cultures and traditions. Grouping it all together seems wrong to me.
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Sounds like a global society control structure!
Which is apparently bad!