The Official Original Artificial Intelligence We're All F***ing Doomed Thread

[Whizzinby]

I’ve watched a handful of interviews with this dude and always greatly enjoy:

1. How calmly he talks about the future enslavement of humans
2. The comfort he offers that it really doesn’t matter because this is all a simulation.

 

[Chocol8]

Say goodbye to critical thinking. If the "masses" have trouble discerning fact from fiction on social media, how will they ever navigate a landscape full of propaganda driven models?

I hate to break it to you but critical thinking has been in decline for a long time.

 

[Sleezy E]

 

[Sascha Franck]

We didn't talk about deep fakes yet.
That's another thing that could severely impact many things. With pretty much all humans receiving whatever relevant news/information through digital media of whatever kind, we won't be able to tell what's real and what isn't pretty soon anymore.
In fact, it's already happening. Not exactly on a big scale yet, but certainly scary already.
How would you know it's not the real person you see in whatever video? Right, you just wouldn't. Then let it become a viral video and even the person the video is about won't be able to convince you it wasn't him/her.
Oh, there's a movie of you robbing a bank on a security cam. What are you gonna do to tell people it's not been you? Especially in case there's as well a video of you trying to escape in your very own car?

Ah, and then there's the psychiatrists caught with forwarding their clients issues to Chat GPT during the session.
Or the doctors doing the same. Sure, let CGPT come up with a diagnosis of a person it has never seen and only has incomplete information about. Way to go.

The list of things that could happen and could as well go completely wrong is endless.

 

[Chocol8]

AI is all ready a lot smarter than most people think. The cheap or free models being used by the masses are still hallucinating and giving wildly inaccurate answers, but the higher grade models are already much much better than a year or even 6 months ago.

I can't predict all the problems it is going to cause but it is going to cost a lot of white collar jobs in the next few years. A LOT!!! I personally got a call earlier this week telling me I was being assigned to a project to teach AI to do some key tasks our junior staff has been doing. I said it would probably take me 4-6 weeks, but I already know it won't take half of that time before we have it doing a significantly better job than recent college grads.

The company will save some money in the short term, but without junior people learning, we will lose our supply of experienced senior people. Maybe AI will be able to do those jobs as well. Ugh! The problem is we can't simply ignore it. We KNOW our competitors are doing the same thing and if some of us can do significantly more work significantly cheaper AND with higher quality and lower errors, they will be the only ones who survive. Basically it is the same thing as the Industrial Revolution but on a much bigger scale in a very short timeframe. Either master the new tech to be faster cheaper better, or go out of business. Humanity is great at adapting, but the scale and speed of this is going to really test that ability.

 

[AlbertA]

We didn't talk about deep fakes yet.

https://sora.chatgpt.com/p/s_68fb967768b08191b9b23dd36fe5b177

https://sora.chatgpt.com/p/s_68ea1bcdeac0819195e2847487a5ed87

 

[mbenigni]

I’ve watched a handful of interviews with this dude and always greatly enjoy:

1. How calmly he talks about the future enslavement of humans
2. The comfort he offers that it really doesn’t matter because this is all a simulation.

Yeah, the guy is clearly very intelligent, and I find his insights on AI fascinating, but he comes off as a bit of a loon with the simulation theory talk. It's not that I find the idea implausible; more that it's irrelevant - mere semantics. "All of our perceived reality is a simulation created by higher beings whom early religions described as gods." OK, so simulation and reality (in any context relevant to humans) are exactly one and the same. Moving on.

He also (along with all of these big thinkers) talks about things like simulation theory, immortality via transfer of human minds into databases, etc. etc. etc. while deftly avoiding big questions like actual consciousness, individual human perspective, and so on. And the interviewers never ask the right follow up questions to really test these theories or (possibly) imbue them with real meaning. It's maddening at times.

(But anyway, he didn't exactly say that he sleeps fine at night because of simulation theory. He actually said that it came down to a flaw in the functioning of the human mind - a near inability to process unavoidable negative outcomes, e.g. death.)

 

[newholland]

i sure dont use it and turn it off wherever i can. if its 'customer service' i default to human. people are stupid to rely on machines without discernment, and i refuse to engage it wherever i find it. no idea why 'its the future'- far as i can see, all it does is shittifies everything even adjacent to it.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I’ve watched a handful of interviews with this dude and always greatly enjoy:

1. How calmly he talks about the future enslavement of humans
2. The comfort he offers that it really doesn’t matter because this is all a simulation.

Who, Roman Yampolskiy?

Some of the interviews on that channel can be a bit alarmist, but I think the round table one I posted in particular brought some good points up.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Basically it is the same thing as the Industrial Revolution but on a much bigger scale in a very short timeframe.

This is one of the most important aspects. Already mentioned it in the Stadium thread, we have no time to adjust to or even just follow things. It's almost a Tsunami of things coming upon us.

 

[Sascha Franck]

https://sora.chatgpt.com/p/s_68fb967768b08191b9b23dd36fe5b177

https://sora.chatgpt.com/p/s_68ea1bcdeac0819195e2847487a5ed87

 

[Richard_G]

I completely disagree. In fact, I think it's our moral obligation to fight AI in some areas (I don't even deny it could be very useful in other areas). Anything creative qualifies for that.

There's been that meme, kinda went like:

"10 years ago I was hoping about robots to do the housekeeping and ironing, so I'd have more time to make music - 10 years later and I'm still housekeeping and ironing and the music is taken care of by robots."

Absolutely spot on.

AI could (and should) be used to adress hunger, poverty, solve scientific problems, research medicines and what not. But it should be kept out of anything creative, FFS.

And because of that, we will have to resist as long as possible and whenever possible. Especially in any creative areas.

I share some of your worries about AI, but I find it a bit puzzling that you seem to focus mainly on what you define as art and creative areas, which I believe you consider yourself a part of. How should these areas be defined? Do you think your perspective is somewhat influenced by the fact that you are a musician? Why shouldn’t we be equally concerned about AI in other areas? For what it’s worth, creativity is not limited to art or music—it is present in almost every aspect of professional work.

 

[Sascha Franck]

How should these areas be defined?

Very roughly: People being creative. As in actually creating something that didn't exist before.

Do you think your perspective is somewhat influenced by the fact that you are a musician?

Of course.

Why shouldn’t we be equally concerned about AI in other areas?

I absolutely am (see my other posts in this thread). Even much, much more than about the things happening to music creation.

For what it’s worth, creativity is not limited to art or music—it is present in almost every aspect of professional work.

Oh, very defenitely. But in many cases, creativity is coming along as a kind of necessity ("Hm, how could I repair this motor without original parts?"). With art however, it's possibly *the* core.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Where are the big AI fans from the other thread? Curious what their thoughts are, after viewing some of the stuff posted here.

 

[Richard_G]

(see my other posts in this thread)

Yeah, my post was mostly based on your posts in that Helix Stadium thread, but posted here as I didn’t want to add more AI discussion to that thread. Your posts in this thread are different. So I’m sorry about that - I had no intention of misrepresenting your views.

 

[AlbertA]

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Its just AI slop

 

[Sascha Franck]

Your posts in this thread are different.

Well, I'd rather say the things I posted in the Stadium thread were merely a "subset". As said, considering the big picture, Suno et al completely demolishing music production (minus live stuff) is just peanuts.

And btw, I am seriously scared that we might in fact be on the best way to completely ruin mankind (and maybe even erase mankind).
You would think that after decades or even centuries of whatever unfortunate things, we should finally be in a position to get along with each other and the challenges ahead. But the opposite is the case. And AI is here to pour oil on the fire in pretty much any aspect.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Its just AI slop

Yeah well, the web is full of that kinda stuff.

 

[ian_dissonance]

I share some of your worries about AI, but I find it a bit puzzling that you seem to focus mainly on what you define as art and creative areas, which I believe you consider yourself a part of. How should these areas be defined? Do you think your perspective is somewhat influenced by the fact that you are a musician? Why shouldn’t we be equally concerned about AI in other areas? For what it’s worth, creativity is not limited to art or music—it is present in almost every aspect of professional work.

Everyone is saying we should absolutely be concerned about all the other areas things can change, and also that given the potential power of the technology there’s no logical reason it should be “doing art”. It’s already costing people gigs, and it won’t get better because the people with the money do not care how they get an image or a jingle or a marketing strategy as long as they pay as little for it as possible and there is a massive ROI.

 

[Whizzinby]

Yeah, the guy is clearly very intelligent, and I find his insights on AI fascinating, but he comes off as a bit of a loon with the simulation theory talk. It's not that I find the idea implausible; more that it's irrelevant - mere semantics. "All of our perceived reality is a simulation created by higher beings whom early religions described as gods." OK, so simulation and reality (in any context relevant to humans) are exactly one and the same. Moving on.

Agreed. I enjoy listening to people talk about simulation theory, but it ultimately seems to be replacing one God for another.

With AI, his thoughts are pretty sobering, but I generally agree that there is a certain inevitability to it. Technology hasn’t stopped evolving in my lifetime, so I don’t know why I would expect it to in the future.