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[Orvillain]

I feel like the V vs. VII discussion keeps creeping up.

VII loop levels are all over the place between modes and channels. Huge discrepancies ime depending on what modes you are using. VII feels like a clean smorgasbord and then a settle for the dirt mode you need.

With the V; the master output and solo controls are great features. I notice tone suck with the Boss buffer in the loop but not with anything else.

The V feels like you are using a 3 channel amp. The VII feels like a "jam packed full of awesome sounds amp" that is laid out like I'm still going to use it as a single channel mid-to-high gain amp and boost with an outboard pedal as needed. It's also now ~$3550.

That all being said, if I had the money; I' probably have one

I genuinely don't understand this perspective.

Clean/Crunch/MKIIC
Fat/MKVII/MKIV
Crunch/Fat/MKIIB
Crunch/Crunch/IIC

.... there's genuinely loads of great permutations across those channels, depending on whether you want 1 clean sound and 2 gain ones, or 3 gain ones, or 2 clean and 1 gain sound, or 1 clean, 1 lower gain, 1 higher gain, which is probably how I'd run it.

Honestly, I wouldn't run the VII much differently to how I run my MKV.

 

[mbenigni]

Quick Mk V question: is it normal for Channel 3 to kind of choke out and make crazy fuzzed out sounds if the Bright switch is on, Treble's at about noon, and Gain is anywhere past about 1 o'clock? Or do I have an unhappy tube somewhere in the preamp section?

I can post a clip if needed, but I'm hoping this might be one of those, "Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about, they all do that" kind of things.

 

[Dez]

That is not too much gain - something may be wrong. Post a clip!

 

[Dez]

Treble gives you gain the higher you go, and it’s very interactive with the gain knob. Too much gain and your bass will sound flubby as shit which is why I keep it at 0 -1 and use the ol’ V shaped EQ

 

[JiveTurkey]

I genuinely don't understand this perspective.

Clean/Crunch/MKIIC
Fat/MKVII/MKIV
Crunch/Fat/MKIIB
Crunch/Crunch/IIC

.... there's genuinely loads of great permutations across those channels, depending on whether you want 1 clean sound and 2 gain ones, or 3 gain ones, or 2 clean and 1 gain sound, or 1 clean, 1 lower gain, 1 higher gain, which is probably how I'd run it.

Honestly, I wouldn't run the VII much differently to how I run my MKV.

If the loop volume differences didn't hit so hard; absolutely. It was the first time where I'd say I had option paralysis via amp modes on a single amp?

The amount of $ involved also kiboshed a lot of it as well. The Badlander was a straight forward cakewalk comparatively and was an easy choice to stick with at the time. Till I came back around at least.

 

[mbenigni]

That is not too much gain - something may be wrong. Post a clip!

I'm starting to get that "Uh oh maybe Marks are too complicated" feeling...

Here's the starting scenario, nothing too complicated. (Full power, 90W, Triode if I'm not mistaken.)

You'll hear 3 double stops in the clip, #1 with settings as above, #2 after I engage the Bright switch, and #3 after I increase Gain from noon to 2 o'clock. Whereupon everything sounds pretty batshit.

 

[TubeStack]

I'm starting to get that "Uh oh maybe Marks are too complicated" feeling...

Here's the starting scenario, nothing too complicated:

View attachment 57552

You'll hear 3 double stops in the clip, #1 with settings as above, #2 after I engage the Bright switch, and #3 after I increase Gain from noon to 2 o'clock. Whereupon everything sounds pretty batshit.

Abort, abort. Dammit, how do I attach an m4a file again?

Sounds really quiet…

 

[mbenigni]

Sounds really quiet…

Are we talking Master/Output levels? Do you think this would have an impact? Ch. 3 Master is at about 3 o'clock (as in the photo), and Output is indeed very low.

Just tested, and bringing Output up to "moderate" doesn't have any effect.

 

[JiveTurkey]

I'm starting to get that "Uh oh maybe Marks are too complicated" feeling...

Here's the starting scenario, nothing too complicated. (Full power, 90W, Triode if I'm not mistaken.)

View attachment 57552

You'll hear 3 double stops in the clip, #1 with settings as above, #2 after I engage the Bright switch, and #3 after I increase Gain from noon to 2 o'clock. Whereupon everything sounds pretty batshit.

Turn the mids down.

 

[TubeStack]

Are we talking Master/Output levels? Do you think this would have an impact? Ch. 3 Master is at about 3 o'clock (as in the photo), and Output is indeed very low.

Just tested, and bringing Output up to "moderate" doesn't have any effect.

Sorry, it was a joke, when you first posted a picture of the amp.

 

[mbenigni]

Sorry, it was a joke, when you first posted a picture of the amp.

I figured you might be joking, but dude, this is serious business!

 

[mbenigni]

Turn the mids down.

No effect. The only things that will remedy are turning off Bright, or bringing Gain back to noon or lower.

(Or were you also joking?)

 

[Dez]

Your bass is at 50% have you tried turning that down?

 

[Dez]

Also, turn that EQ on!

 

[mbenigni]

Your bass is at 50% have you tried turning that down?

That's not typically how I run the amp. I put everything at noon before I decided to just take a picture, to make it easier to describe to you guys. And to forego the flood of "what happens if you bring the mids up a bit" questions. Backfired, obviously. Likewise, I do typically use the EQ on this channel. Preset mode, actually. (Jesus wept, probably.)

Bottom line, no permutations of any of the other controls eliminate that dying bumblebee sound.

 

[JiveTurkey]

That's not typically how I run the amp. I put everything at noon before I decided to just take a picture, to make it easier to describe to you guys. And to forego the flood of "what happens if you bring the mids up a bit" questions. Backfired, obviously. Likewise, I do typically use the EQ on this channel. Preset mode, actually. (Jesus wept, probably.)

Bottom line, no permutations of any of the other controls eliminate that dying bumblebee sound.

Do you have fx (dleay or verb from the sounds of things) in the loop overdriving it? Or is that the reverb?

 

[mbenigni]

Do you have fx (dleay or verb from the sounds of things) in the loop overdriving it? Or is that the reverb?

I do, presently, have a QC in the loop, but I can duplicate the problem without. I noticed the first night I had it home, when it was just guitar -> MkV - cabinet.

(Didn't think much of it at the time. "Doc, it hurts when I do this...")

 

[JiveTurkey]

This is my IIC+ channel 3 setup. No bright engaged because it doesn't need it for my ears.

 

[mbenigni]

This is my IIC+ channel 3 setup. No bright engaged because it doesn't need it for my ears.
View attachment 57554

Yeah, that works fine for me too. What happens if you do engage the Bright switch. Does it sound like it's about to die?

 

[texhex]

This is my IIC+ channel 3 setup. No bright engaged because it doesn't need it for my ears.
View attachment 57554

Right on the money!