So with all them V2 capture/profile updates…

Orvillain said:
I don't think you can credit NAM too much. All of the platforms received major feedback on their profiling accuracy way before NAM came on the scene.

Most of these companies know exactly where their tech is flawed. They just won't talk about it publicly.
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Steve isn't NAM per se but I think you'd be surprised how many companies have Steve on speed dial. Also the amount of tinkering in different directions he's doing behind the scenes like Parametric captures, being able to play files back on inferior systems natively, time based capturing modulation/compression, he's hustling on all these fronts while also consulting I believe.

I think all of it is true really, NAM/ToneX hit at very similar times which massively lowered the barrier of entry and got people excited about it. AI tech is also steamrolling and getting better, more devs in the space etc etc.
 
[Nathan] said:
Steve isn't NAM per se but I think you'd be surprised how many companies have Steve on speed dial. Also the amount of tinkering in different directions he's doing behind the scenes like Parametric captures, being able to play files back on inferior systems natively, time based capturing modulation/compression, he's hustling on all these fronts while also consulting I believe.

I think all of it is true really, NAM/ToneX hit at very similar times which massively lowered the barrier of entry and got people excited about it. AI tech is also steamrolling and getting better, more devs in the space etc etc.
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Oh I'm sure he is plumbed in and making a good career from it. It's definitely impressive what he's managed to achieve. There's lots of guys in this space though. Couple of them freelance for the same company I'm currently freelancing for, and I keep meaning to pick their brains.

Funnily enough at the ADC conference a few weeks back, there wasn't a lot of talk about neural networks. There was a fair amount of fear and skepticism over AI in general, but also... EVERYONE I spoke to was using it. With a general feeling of, if you know what you're doing it can be a useful tool. But if you're not well versed in audio development, you can really make a pigs facehash of it, and not even have a clue that you have done so.

I think it is more or less wishful thinking that NAM and ToneX got people excited about this tech. As much as it sucks, Kemper was really the first device to open people's eyes to the possibilities - even though it doesn't do any actual machine learning itself.
 
Orvillain said:
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID! I'M GOING TO CHOOSE TO TAKE YOU SOOOOO LITERALLY THAT MY BACK BREAKS WHEN I BEND OVER TO TRY AND KISS MY OWN ASS! I'M ON A FUCKING TOUR BUSSSSSS!! TOURRRRRR BUSSSSSSSSSS!!

... but yeah, I get you.
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Orvillain said:
I think it is more or less wishful thinking that NAM and ToneX got people excited about this tech. As much as it sucks, Kemper was really the first device to open people's eyes to the possibilities - even though it doesn't do any actual machine learning itself.
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For me - personally - it actually was NAM and Tonex that got me excited. I’ve never ever been excited by anything Kemper.

But you’re probably right about the role of Kemper here.
 
Ed DeGenaro said:
If I was a conspiracy kinda guy I’d say they all incorporated NAM and selling it as their new improved tech.
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There's no conspiracy. NAM just paved the way, but all neural network-based profilers (ToneX, NAM, Neural Captures v2, Proxy, etc) are variations of the same underlying concepts - which are very well understood by now.

The only reason NN profiles weren't a thing until now is, IMHO, they cannot really be trained on the DSP-based boxes used to play them. It took ToneX coming with very cheap player hardware + plugins, and proving there's a market for profiling on your computer for this ball to roll. Everyone who came before kept trying to be Kemper.
 
Orvillain said:
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID! I'M GOING TO CHOOSE TO TAKE YOU SOOOOO LITERALLY THAT MY BACK BREAKS WHEN I BEND OVER TO TRY AND KISS MY OWN ASS! I'M ON A FUCKING TOUR BUSSSSSS!! TOURRRRRR BUSSSSSSSSSS!!

... but yeah, I get you.
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Why don't you just f** off instead of behaving like a social retard?
 
Ed DeGenaro said:
If I was a conspiracy kinda guy I’d say they all incorporated NAM and selling it as their new improved tech.
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Good thing you’re not because that’s stupid. :P J/K but really it’s coincidental. This stuff happens all the time in tech land. Certain innovations will establish vectors of development/improvement and cause a shift in direction or accelerate other people’s efforts but there are a lot of brilliant and dedicated people out there working independently and once they see “ok okay, I get what they’re doing” can easily come up with something competitive.
 
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Chocol8 said:
Similar in results but VERY different in how resource intensive they are. That's been the real genius behind Tonex, the ability to run on affordable hardware. Even when it was noticeably not as good as NAM in sound quality, the hardware drove the popularity. Now it is so close, my interest in NAM has been highly reduced.
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I think the ToneX One runs at like 1.7ms of latency or something I read, which seems crazy to me compared to everything else running much higher.
 
2dor said:
The Dimehead player's even lower (about 0.5 ms) but the ToneX is more affordable.
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Yeah, it is just crazy when many of the big modelers are like 3-5ms or so. I assume playing back profiles just takes less time, but it is still impressive.
 
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