Potential Historic Discovery at the Giza Plateau

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

You know those long ass tubes are where the Egyptians stored all their Twinkies for when there was a famine.

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

Scientists discover signs of ancient technology to boost ratings and click counts...

"We may never know..."

That show ruled. I have the entire DVD set.

 

[mbenigni]

That show ruled. I have the entire DVD set.

I LOVED it as a kid. I still get roped into these kind of shows, but my inner skeptic is always thinking, “I’m getting reeled in for zero payoff.” We may never know LOL.

 

[LastMantra]

What I don't understand is that, even if there are these blurry spiral structures, how is anyone supposed to know what they are?
Like why come up with some big complex theory based on some blurry pictures?

 

[Holden Afart]

What I don't understand is that, even if there are these blurry spiral structures, how is anyone supposed to know what they are?
Like why come up with some big complex theory based on some blurry pictures?

Reminds me of a show I saw one time where they were trying to figure out why there were these rows of stones (stone walls) in and around some big open fields. All kinds of far out ideas. I'm sitting there yelling that they're stone walls from clearing the land for cultivating.

 

[Aelred]

I tend to be fascinated by a lot of ancient discoveries, such as close-fitting massive stones of irregular shapes, the "impossible" symmetry of large stone statues, the hard stone vases that look like they were made on a potter's wheel or are parts of machines and so forth.

What I am less fascinated by are the speculations about how they did it (and sometimes why): "Atlantis", aliens, mind-power and such. IMHO, they clearly knew something about working with stone that we don't - but we fill with, so far, odd speculations sans evidence. About the best I've seen is "poured stone" for some features, such as wood beams stuck deep in granite on both sides of a space, but can't explain everything, as a lot of the stone is just whatever was lying around and not "engineered".

We do know the Romans had concrete, and poured a lot of it that has lasted centuries.

 

[LastMantra]

Reminds me of a show I saw one time where they were trying to figure out why there were these rows of stones (stone walls) in and around some big open fields. All kinds of far out ideas. I'm sitting there yelling that they're stone walls from clearing the land for cultivating.

I seen one recently that said they had evidence of ancient aliens, which was a rock under the sea that looked a bit like the millennium falcon.

They said it was a petrified space ship, and went on to "prove" it by explaining how trees can get petrified too.

 

[DrewJD82]

I tend to be fascinated by a lot of ancient discoveries, such as close-fitting massive stones of irregular shapes, the "impossible" symmetry of large stone statues, the hard stone vases that look like they were made on a potter's wheel or are parts of machines and so forth.

What I am less fascinated by are the speculations about how they did it (and sometimes why): "Atlantis", aliens, mind-power and such. IMHO, they clearly knew something about working with stone that we don't - but we fill with, so far, odd speculations sans evidence. About the best I've seen is "poured stone" for some features, such as wood beams stuck deep in granite on both sides of a space, but can't explain everything, as a lot of the stone is just whatever was lying around and not "engineered".

We do know the Romans had concrete, and poured a lot of it that has lasted centuries.

I’m very much the same, only a bit more skeptical of it all these days as I’ve already spent years reading every bit of info I could on all the big hot spots and theories. I also have a bit of pessimism at this point in regard to the subject due to visiting Coral Castle frequently and seeing how facts can be laid out but people will still go with fantasy despite fact being right in their faces and “content” creators will keep repeating the same stuff in ‘new’ videos relentlessly.

This is a pretty good vid because he’s breaking down how he did it logically. There’s very little mystery remaining at Coral Castle, but there’s a million vids on YouTube saying otherwise and even the guided tours these days tend to add more mystery than simply stating “We know how he did it, he used these pulleys that are still inside his workshop you can see on the way out.” like they used to.



While there’s little mystery remaining, that doesn’t take away from how badass and incredible it was that this dude pulled this off. This is also its second location, he moved it at one point due to a hurricane and did it all by himself, at night with just a flatbed and pulleys.

 

[Iron1]

I seen one recently that said they had evidence of ancient aliens, which was a rock under the sea that looked a bit like the millennium falcon.

They said it was a petrified space ship, and went on to "prove" it by explaining how trees can get petrified too.

I watched a show once where they had a renaissance painting of some folks outside a castle at midday and the narrator kept insisting the sun in the painting was clear evidence of ancient aliens and the sun rays were tractor beams used to abduct humans.



After careful consideration of his over-explained hypothesis I concluded crackheads should not be allowed on TV.

 

[ᛗᛜᛜᚺDᛜᎶ Ꮤᛨᚳᚴ]

I tend to be fascinated by a lot of ancient discoveries, such as close-fitting massive stones of irregular shapes, the "impossible" symmetry of large stone statues, the hard stone vases that look like they were made on a potter's wheel or are parts of machines and so forth.

What I am less fascinated by are the speculations about how they did it (and sometimes why): "Atlantis", aliens, mind-power and such. IMHO, they clearly knew something about working with stone that we don't - but we fill with, so far, odd speculations sans evidence. About the best I've seen is "poured stone" for some features, such as wood beams stuck deep in granite on both sides of a space, but can't explain everything, as a lot of the stone is just whatever was lying around and not "engineered".

We do know the Romans had concrete, and poured a lot of it that has lasted centuries.

I like to look at all perspectives, not because I think they are all valid or accurate, but more because I think it is good to ponder many different possibilities, as crackpot as they may be (and the crazier they are based on my understandings, the more I laugh, so there is that as well). It gives my mind extra paths to explore even if I do not agree with the conclusions that were drawn from them. Like reading a book, it activates my imagination and the mental trees I may climb. Reading here on the forum is a good example for me. It is providing knowledge, humor as well as new ways to look at something even if I do not agree ;~))

I have heard that the volcanic ash that the Romans used in their concrete is the source of their longevity. There is a Bhudist temple being built in Hawaii that I toured when there a decade or more ago. They are using that technique in the building of that temple and talked about it. The downside of using the volcanic ash is, the concrete can take 10+ years to FULLY cure. That does not mean it is unusable after X days/months/years, but for it to truly reach it's full strength takes a LONG time. Don't know how true all of this is, but this is what I was told on that tour ;~))

As for Giza, have not read or watched a thing about it yet (other than comments here, have not watched linked video(s)). We know there is "other" stuff there and elsewhere, but whether this one is true remains to be seen!

 

[LastMantra]

I think it would be amazing if it was proven to be true, it would change, overnight, how we look at the world and the history of humanity.

The idea that there could be another, forgotten, part of history, and things like the great pyramid is part of a lost technology, is extremely compelling, but, at the same time, the idea that there were people that literally believed they were actual gods and could live forever is really interesting, to me anyway, too.
Possibly tells us something, a bit scarily, about who we are, and why we are in the situation we find ourselves today.

Something I find interesting is that the period we live in has been very stable as far as significant natural/environmental events. There are records of catastrophic volcanoes like Vesuvius etc. which caused widespread famin and would have played a large part in ending ancient Rome and by all accounts far greater events, floods, meteor strikes, ice ages, world changing stuff, where civilisations could have disappeared very quickly. I think something similar might have happened around 12k years ago in Europe, and earlier in mesopotamia.
Plus you don't even need to go back to ancient times to see that skills and techniques are constantly being forgotten. Look at the medieval cathedrals, there's probably nobody around now that has those kinds of skills. There's just no demand for it.

 

[Aelred]

They just restored Notre Dame Carthedral (reopened in 2024) in Paris using the trees planted for that purpose centuries ago. I have seen on YouTube/TV a "medieval" castle being built in France using only the old techniques.

That we don't know the details of how really ancient folk (Egypt, Peru, Gobekli Tepe etc) did their amazing stonework until the Romans is interesting, and figuring it out may never happen after all this time. But Ice Ages don't happen overnight, the Younger Dryas thing has a LOT of issues and so on. We can tell some things about ancient volcano eruptions and meteor strikes from geology - and none would account for all of it, often not much at all, regarding lost civilizations.

We don't really know how the Parthenon was constructed so precisely and so quickly in the time of Pericles, which does not qualify as a Lost Civilization, even with the Antikythera. We just don't know.

For me its fascinating until I hit the aliens and gods speculations. People are really smart and always have been, even if quite different to our own thought since about the time of the Parthenon and Socrates/Plato/Aristotle (logic and experimental science).

 

[LastMantra]

Tbf, when I say "very quickly" I should probably add "relatively", and when I say "world changing" I should probably add "known".

Thing is, geology is constantly changing. We know humans have lived places that are now uninhabitable, often now below water.
The ice age may have been a slow process, but I'm sure as it receded it caused massive flooding and all sorts of stuff that happened fairly quickly.
We've seen small volcanoes and tsunami has the potential to do in recent years.

Easter Island is possibly another example of what can happen?

Do I think we will find some unknown great technologically advanced empire though? Very unlikely.

 

[LastMantra]

We also know that famine and disease can wipe out half of the population of Europe, fairly quickly.

 

[Aelred]

Fwiw, I studied Geology long ago at University (as a minor subject), and geological ages and time is vastly different to human time. The current geological age is the Cenozoic, and has lasted 66 MILLION years already. People have been exhibiting modernd behaviour 160-60 THOUSAND years. A tiny fraction.

A volcanic eruption may be quick (unless Hawaii... the islands are all the result of the hot spot beneath for millions of years) ala Mt Saint Helens - but the effects and deposits can be studied long afterwards. We can study the results of the series of eruptions known to us as Krakatoa for the 1883 event. And we know that Doggerland sank when people were around because of the finds, not the geology.

It's what geologists do. Archeology is quite different. But folk will glom onto just about anything that tickles the imagination.

Without evidence, its all speculation - some more reasonable than others.

I am not hopefull about the Italian revelation so far. It all seems quite dodgy.

 

[LastMantra]

We know that in the case of doggerland, and the Storegga event, the geology has changed quite drastically since people once lived there.
The ice age causes massive geological changes.
Mesopotamia is an area known to have had massive catastrophic floods, possibly where the biblical flood story came from.

 

[Aelred]

We know that in the case of doggerland, and the Storegga event, the geology has changed quite drastically since people once lived there.
The ice age causes massive geological changes.

Which implies or proves what about ancient civilizations, megaliths etc., let alone "aliens" who seem to have a geocentric cosmology ala the Antikythera?

Nothing at all.

 

[LastMantra]

Which implies or proves what about ancient civilizations, megaliths etc., let alone "aliens" who seem to have a geocentric cosmology ala the Antikythera?

Nothing at all.

I wasn't talking about any of that, I just said that civilisations could disappear, orbe forgotten?
It's not beyond the realms of possibility, that was all. As I say though, it's pretty unlikely we'll find anything of life changing importance.

 

[Aelred]

"For Aristotle, the mark of eristic is appearance. Eristic arguments simulate but fail to be real arguments. This characteristic of simulation also is one Aristotle applies to sophists and sophistry."

Schreiber, Scott G. - Aristotle on False Reasoning: Language and the World in Sophistical Refutations [SUNY, 2003, p.3]