Noise floor

Orvillain

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Richard Cranium
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So... as I've probably wittered on about quite a few times now, I run all my pedals into the front of the amp, with few exceptions. I prefer how modulations, delays, and reverbs, interact with the distortion channels on the amp. Even when the amp is clean, or set to edge of breakup, it sounds different than when using the effects loop. So this is a non-negotiable for me.

At the same time, since all my pedals are digital, I do get quite a high noise floor compared to most people's rigs. In the past I've tried various approaches to calm this down or otherwise nullify the noise; with varying degrees of success.

I've tried loopswitchers, which are obviously great for removing pedals that you are not using, from the signal path. But for pedals you are using, it obviously doesn't help much; and if you want to retain the trails/spillover of the pedal, then you end up leaving the 'return' signal wide open anyway, thus pretty much defeating the entire point of using the loopswitcher to solve this problem.

I've also tried noise-gates, to varying degrees of success too. The best experience I've had is using the built in gates on the Satriani JVM, which really does work well. You lose a tiny bit of the tail of your delay and reverb as they kick into effect, but nothing major. The worst experience I had was a Boss noise-gate. It just didn't sound transparent enough, and even added a small amount of its own noise.

This is one of the things that pushes me down the multi-effects route. Something like the Helix or Axe FX III, is definitely a lot quieter.

The Fractal VP4 by itself is quieter than a stack of Boss and MXR pedals as well. But honestly.... I'm very very fond of the tones I get our of my Boss RV-5....

Sooooo... what would you try next?????


I really wish someone would make a loopswitcher where each loop has its own programmable analog gate, so that you could dial in the noise-floor of each specific pedal, and set attack and release parameters to control when the signal is allowed to be routed through the pedal or not. Kinda surprised this doesn't exist.
 
Not to.... put ideas in your head.... but it will... or not...

Doesnt the GigRig stuff have trails support in their switchers? I guess that leaves the return from the pedal "open" but closes the send.... or something.

buuuuuut.... now that you've streamlined and simplified, you may not want to go down the switcher programming hell again :rofl :bag

i have no noise or hiss.... yet... in this setup. Everything mono, straight into the Walrus and theres like 6-7 buffers always active here. The polytune buffer is stupid so im not using that shit.
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I get modulation difference in front vs the loop … but reverb in the front?? You madman! 😄

You mentioned the Boss (NS-2?) but have you tried it keyed in the front with the gate in the loop? A Fortin Zuul keyed with a splitter may be what you’re looking for? You’re going to have to key it after your reverb and delay though or you’ll cut off each and every tail.


I’ve been eyeballing a T2. Do you use it as your main reverb or is it just for ambient wash?
 
I’ve been eyeballing a T2. Do you use it as your main reverb or is it just for ambient wash?
The plan was to only use it infront of the fuzz because the T2 is cheesy as fuck, and put out hideous amounts of trails... and theres all kinds of trem/phaser/chorus reverbs. So i think its good for that, creating noise with different flavours. And washes yes.
But i kinda like it when playing clean also... theres 2 modes that actually sound great and usable as ambient verbs. So i think it will stay before the fuzz, and having delays after a reverb is kinda cool to.
 
What's your power supply? I've been using a Strymon Zuma that I bought a few years back as a "be-all, end-all" replacement to a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2+ I've had for about 20 yrs...last week I disconnected the Zuma and put the Voodoo Lab back on. The Strymon was introducing all kinds of noise, rendering at least one pedal unusable in bypassed mode (Keeley 30ms) and requiring me to leave my Nemesis delay unplugged while the Strymon was powering up, THEN plugging it in after 10 seconds or so, which still didn't really fix the noise it was causing. Some power supplies don't play well with digital units apparently.
 
The plan was to only use it infront of the fuzz because the T2 is cheesy as fuck, and put out hideous amounts of trails... and theres all kinds of trem/phaser/chorus reverbs. So i think its good for that, creating noise with different flavours. And washes yes.
But i kinda like it when playing clean also... theres 2 modes that actually sound great and usable as ambient verbs. So i think it will stay before the fuzz, and having delays after a reverb is kinda cool to.
Yeah, I don't think it is for me. I just like a little touch of reverb and if the amp I'm using has one, that's good enough. I'm not really into reverb washout.
 
This is precisely why I’d love to have someone from LA Sound Design, XTS or Dave Friedman around here, for the utility aspects of rig building.

Orvie, which loopswitchers have you tried? I see the RJM stuff all over LASD’s rigs and they do a shitton of studio guy’s pedalboards, I’d have to imagine these exact gripes are covered with those rigs considering the sessions they’ll end up in. I know XTS does a decent amount of boards with a box that lets you flip between the amp’s Input and the Effects Loop depending on what you’re doing.
 
I struggle with this too. The great thing about digital multi-fx is less noise, but the trade off is they don’t sound as good and you’re stuck with what’s in the box.
 
Truthfully, I don't mind a hint of noise or hiss. I think it adds harmonic content and makes
the tones a bit more interesting. :knit

Total MF'er in the studio. I get it. But I never really fussed about some noise, and still don't,
when it is present.

If something is broke, or there are ground loop hums and sparks flying that is obviously different.

I can totally get how running everything IN FRONT of an High-Gain Amp is going to be a world
I have not inhabited. Guessing not many here have. Unique case scenario from a unique fella. :cheers
 
Truthfully, I don't mind a hint of noise or hiss. I think it adds harmonic content and makes
the tones a bit more interesting. :knit

Total MF'er in the studio. I get it. But I never really fussed about some noise, and still don't,
when it is present.

If something is broke, or there are ground loop hums and sparks flying that is obviously different.

I can totally get how running everything IN FRONT of an High-Gain Amp is going to be a world
I have not inhabited. Guessing not many here have. Unique case scenario from a unique fella. :cheers
As long as my amp isn’t squealing I’m alright. I like to minimize background noise so it’s not extremely present when I stop playing, but I don’t worry too much unless it’s affecting my sound.
 
Hey, we could invite the Rig Doctor! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Man…..see, this is precisely why it was such a fucking dick move to give himself that title. I almost responded “I actually did hit up David Phillips today” and then I remembered good ole fuckstick doing fuckstick things!
 
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Maybe we’ll get the reverse Uno card, he’ll grow his hair out, start speaking with an Aussie accent while telling everyone Leon Todd is trying to steal his identity.

He's got form for that too. He did post a video where he complained about some Chinese pedal company cloning his design once.

I don't get why anyone would still give him money tbh. The guys pretty pathetic.
 
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