New Kiesel model: Kyber

[unix-guy]

The current Kiesel HH2 neck is 0.82 inches thick at the first fret and 0.94 thick at the 12th fret. The Holdsworth neck is slightly thicker than the shredder necks on some other Kiesels. To me it feels about like a '60s LP neck.

I attached some pics with a caliper, but keep in mind those are adding the string height into the measurement, so .82" and .94" seems about right once you subtract the string height.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think neck thickness doesn't include fret height.

Back of the neck to the fretboard I think...

 

[TSJMajesty]

I like 'em. Especially that fretboard on the 2nd-from-the-left.

Interesting that they have 2 versions of the 7-string. They're all the same model?

 

[TSJMajesty]

But I have other guitars with slimmer necks and they're just fine too.

I don't know why people have a problem with thin necks. They give you more leverage for your thumb to exert pressure, so your fingers don't have to do as much work, as I see it.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I don't know why people have a problem with thin necks. They give you more leverage for your thumb to exert pressure, so your fingers don't have to do as much work, as I see it.

But I can play comfortably and even quicker on my boatnecks?
They feel less fatiguing too.

 

[TSJMajesty]

But I can play comfortably and even quicker on my boatnecks?
They feel less fatiguing too.

I tried an EBMM Axis a few months back, and that neck felt like a round soda can in my hand. Did NOT like it at all! I put it right back.

 

[Deleted member 472]

I don't know why people have a problem with thin necks. They give you more leverage for your thumb to exert pressure, so your fingers don't have to do as much work, as I see it.

My hand cramps up playing thin necks, the Ibanez Wizard being the greatest offender. Give me a baseball bat all day long.

 

[Alex Kenivel]

My hand cramps up playing thin necks, the Ibanez Wizard being the greatest offender. Give me a baseball bat all day long.

Ditto. I learned the hard way with my 7 string Ibanez. I don't want to let it go because I love everything about it but the neck and I've already modded it a bunch. After a few days, my wrist will be swollen from playing it.

I don't know why people have a problem with thin necks. They give you more leverage for your thumb to exert pressure, so your fingers don't have to do as much work, as I see it.

My hands are huge and fingers are long, gripping thin and tiny things are a chore (TWSS). I need big handles on my tools and I've even once created a pen/pencil holder out of wood for extended drawing sessions. It looked something like an old school spinning top, only with a hole in it for pens/pencils and contoured for my hand.

Edit to add: thicker necks allow me to exert pressure with the heel of my thumb and palm of my hand instead of the thumb itself. Using my thumb to exert pressure crumples up my hand into an unnatural state, thus causing pain. Thinner necks leave less for the Palm, forcing me to use my thumb instead

 

[Deleted member 472]

My hands are huge and fingers are long, gripping thin and tiny things are a chore

I just don’t get how guys like Vai, who has giant hands, can play such thin necks. The cramping I get is right in center of my palm and literally locks up, making me look like an Italian asking, “ma che vuoi?”

 

[SymphonicDischord]

I don't know why, but I like that.

At the risk of incurring the wrath of @Eagle , I liked it enough to purchase it.

 

[laxu]

Kiesel hasn't had a good new design since the Aries. The Kyber (terrible name) looks like they mashed a lot of ideas into one.

 

[laxu]

My hand cramps up playing thin necks, the Ibanez Wizard being the greatest offender. Give me a baseball bat all day long.

Same.

But too thick can be a problem too! The POS quality 8-string Strandberg Boden I owned briefly had a way too thick neck at the first few frets. It caused similar cramping issues for me. And I generally like thick necks!

The standard size neck on my Kiesel Aries AM7 is comfy to me.

 

[Sascha Franck]

If I showed up with any of those on a gig, I'd possibly have to hide (or look for another gig...).

 

[Eagle]

I just don’t get how guys like Vai, who has giant hands, can play such thin necks. The cramping I get is right in center of my palm and literally locks up, making me look like an Italian asking, “ma che vuoi?”

If you play mostly thumb in the back of the neck classical style ( good textbook technique) thin necks don’t give you cramp. Flat back D profiles however thick or thin are best for this.It literally only moves your thumb 2mm. It’s a bit like people who claim a neck can be “ too flat”, it’s more their style has developed is a particular way that is causing “their” problem.

 

[Deleted member 472]

If you play mostly thumb in the back of the neck classical style ( good textbook technique) thin necks don’t give you cramp.

Oh, now you’re neurologist with 30 years experience?

My hand cramps when I play thin necks. It doesn’t matter what “textbook” technique I use. Don’t sit there and tell me WHAT or what DOESN’T happen to MY hand when I do. You don’t know MY medical history and you obviously don’t have a fucking clue about “repetitive use injury” or “focal hand dystonia.”

You should really focus on fixing guitars and not trying to be a know-it-all in literally every discussion on this forum because newsflash: you are not.

 

[Eagle]

Oh, now you’re neurologist with 30 years experience?

My hand cramps when I play thin necks. It doesn’t matter what “textbook” technique I use. Don’t sit there and tell me WHAT or what DOESN’T happen to MY hand when I do. You don’t know MY medical history and you obviously don’t have a fucking clue about “repetitive use injury” or “focal hand dystonia.”

You should really focus on fixing guitars and not trying to be a know-it-all in literally every discussion on this forum because newsflash: you are not.

I’m not talking about you or your technique . You seem happy to assume Steve Vai should have a problem.
I said anybody with classical technique “should “ be fine and the vast majority are.

 

[Deleted member 472]

I’m not talking about you or your technique . You seem happy to assume Steve Vai should have a problem.
I said anybody with classical technique “should “ be fine and the vast majority are.

When did I say that I assumed that Steve Vai should have a problem?

 

[Deleted member 472]

 

[Eagle]

When did I say that I assumed that Steve Vai should have a problem?

You literally said you don’t know how he doesn’t have a problem. Newsflash in nearly 40 years of wizard neck profiles the vast majority have no issues.

 

[V|J]

Most of their ‘in-stock’ Kybers arr already sold out on the website.

The bottom contour is meant to facilitate playing in a classical position but it seems a little shallow to allow that.
Maybe someone can address that in a video.

The Abasi guitars have a more contoured bottom for the same use.

 

[Deleted member 472]

You literally said you don’t know how he doesn’t have a problem.

You’re insufferable. That is literally not even the same thing.