Im Bored. Riddle Me This. Tonex Pedal -vs- Nano Cortex ?

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Ok, Im bored and yes, I hate NDSP corporate, and yes, Null Tests aren't that helpful or telling. Yep, I get it all, but let me put it this way

Im not interested in either anymore, but why the f%ck would a live gigging guitarist buy a Nano Cortex over a Tonex Pedal ?

- N.C rrp $550
- Tonex rrp $399 now $299 atm
- Tonex as of 1.8 now has way more efx and slots
- Tonex does have albeit a basic screen
- No online cloud bullshit with the Tonex ecosystem
- Tonex 3 x FSW's NC x 2 FSW's
- On every test I've ever seen, Tonex always Null tests better than the NC / QC
- You can backup your own sounds on your PC with Tonex and buy and load Captures at will from anyone directly
- So far at least, IK is updating the Tonex at lightspeed compared to NDSP's track record so far

So, unless you are committed to the QC / NC eco-system, or you want lesser quality Capturing, why the actual f%ck would a buyer grab a NC instead of a Tonex Pedal ?

Whew, I'm less bored now.
 
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Snags said:
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That's the only useful contribution I can make.
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Ok ok. Ive de-formatted the OP.
 
One of the biggest features of the NC is that it can capture on the device. It also takes takes 5 mins instead of 30+ per capture. Pretty big things for some people.

I’d still lean to the NC just based on the NDSP brand vs IK. If it was something I was actually entertaining I’d probably order both and see some tests and see what works better top to bottom in my setup. I think it would be the NC but hard to say until you’ve put them through its paces top to bottom.
 
Capturing on the unit itself would probably be the main thing better about the Nano Cortex. The form factor might also be preferable - the big Tonex is somewhat large, and Tonex One is unnecessarily small.

I could see the Nano Cortex come ahead if NeuralDSP just adds some more effects to the damn thing. But as with anything, only buy if you like what it does now...

I feel like there's no sense buying the Tonex stuff unless you are using the hardware. NAM is free, captures is now very easy to process thanks to Tonezone3000 and you have a million VST plugins for better fx than the Tonex.
 
BenIfin said:
So, unless you are committed to the QC / NC eco-system, or you want lesser quality Capturing, why the actual f%ck would a buyer grab a NC instead of a Tonex Pedal ?
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Because the Tonex Edit/Load Software is the worst POS UI to have ever been invented. At regular price, it's worth $150 to not have to ever load that garbage on your computer. At $250, it's coin toss. Plus, way too many shitty captures taking up usable space with Tonex Tonelocker or whatever they call it.
 
I get the on-paper advantage of onboard capturing, but outside these sort of gear-nerdy-centric forums, "most" guitar players will never, and don't have the proper equipment or knowledge or time, or just cant be f%cked making their own captures /profiles. And by "most" I mean, for all intents and purposes, approx. %100 of the worlds guitarists.

Like it or not, pick any rando guitarist anywhere in any non-online environment, and ask them what TGP or TGF is, and they will likely guess its a medical condition or a new phone app. But if they buy a Tonex or QC/NC they will know that they can either download some cpatures for free and will very quickly find out where to buy the "good stuff"
 
laxu said:
NAM is free, captures is now very easy to process thanks to Tonezone3000 and you have a million VST plugins for better fx than the Tonex.
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I should have clarified that my OP is about using the product for the gigging guitarist - I will adjust my OP.

NAM is not a live-gigging option.

When you can buy a NAM Hardware pedal that does everything or more that the Tonex Pedal does for $399 - or $299 when on sale, - and is made, supported and sold in retail and online world-wide by a credible reputable manufacturer, then NAM can enter the conversation. Based on everything I can see and read, this aint happening any time soon.

Home / recording VST use is a whole 'nother ball game.
 
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BenIfin said:
I get the on-paper advantage of onboard capturing, but outside these sort of gear-nerdy-centric forums, "most" guitar players will never, and don't have the proper equipment or knowledge or time, or just cant be f%cked making their own captures /profiles. And by "most" I mean, for all intents and purposes, approx. %100 of the worlds guitarists.

Like it or not, pick any rando guitarist anywhere in any non-online environment, and ask them what TGP or TGF is, and they will likely guess its a medical condition or a new phone app. But if they buy a Tonex or QC/NC they will know that they can either download some cpatures for free and will very quickly find out where to buy the "good stuff"
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Absolutely all of this. Among all local guitarists I know in real life (and that's pretty much quite some), in case they're using a modeler at all of course, the most efforts I have seen people going for is possibly shooting a handful of Kemper profiles (ok, I know one dude selling them, too). The rest would rather try to find a decent set of profiles/captures of stuff similar to what they're using. And pretty much nobody is getting all anal about 100% authentic recreations, aside from very few nerds and some folks more involved into the recording side.
And btw, the same is true for me. When I switched from real amps and cabs to modeling, while I would've been happy with 1:1 virtual versions of my stuff, I simply got along with what was there and still never exactly looked back (at least not because of sonic issues).
 
And fwiw, I see quite some people going for QCs by now, so their "inferior" capturing doesn't seem to bother them too much (ok, maybe they're just using the modeled amps, no valuable empiric data available).
I'm in fact close to considering a QC myself.
 
Sascha Franck said:
And fwiw, I see quite some people going for QCs by now, so their "inferior" capturing doesn't seem to bother them too much (ok, maybe they're just using the modeled amps, no valuable empiric data available).
I'm in fact close to considering a QC myself.
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Buy my one! I like it a lot, but fucking hell I just don't need it!
 
BenIfin said:
I should have clarified that my OP is about using the product for the gigging guitarist - I will adjust my OP.

NAM is not a live-gigging option.

When you can buy a NAM Hardware pedal that does everything or more that the Tonex Pedal does for $399 - or $299 when on sale, - and is made, supported and sold in retail and online world-wide by a credible reputable manufacturer, then NAM can enter the conversation. Based on everything I can see and read, this aint happening any time soon.

Home VST use is a whole 'nother ball game.
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I can agree with all that. It was mostly musings about the Tonex plugin. I just don't see much reason to buy that, unless you use the hardware.

What really sucks is that every one of the compact capture devices on the market has major inconveniences in different areas.
 
The QC captures are fine. Comes down to whether you need to capture on-device, and what effects you want/need.

Has IK improved the editing for the pedal, along with adding the effects? That would be a major factor for me.
 
Sascha Franck said:
And fwiw, I see quite some people going for QCs by now, so their "inferior" capturing doesn't seem to bother them too much (ok, maybe they're just using the modeled amps, no valuable empiric data available).
I'm in fact close to considering a QC myself.
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Similarly there are plenty of people who are just used to the "Kemper sound" and just like how that performs. We can harp about accuracy all day, but most users are not going to concern themselves with that. Their process is "Does it sound good and close enough to my real amp? If yes, it is good."

I feel the QC was more than good enough to be a digital facsimile of the amps I had several years ago.
 
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