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why would that make them mad?
I hate shimmer reverb
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why would that make them mad?
the swede
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Well… some (quite many) didn’t like the weird octave Mooer decided to program into the algorithm. I don’t remember if it’s a 5’th or what it was… but yeah, “shimmers” don’t like it… it’s not a great reverb pedal overall, pretty bland and has a weird tonality/octave in the shimmer.
I wouldn’t say it’s worthless though… it’s decent but not great. Tried it once and returned it pretty fast.
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All that talk about "if you dial it back it's ok" or "a smidgen of (shimmer) reverb" - pfft!
Man up! You either go bone dry or all in!
Man up! You either go bone dry or all in!
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Cool sound, ingredients?
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IIRC (likely, the main HX patch is something I'm using sort of often):
Tom Anderson semi-hollow bla bla thing (Duncan Mini HB in neck position (left guitar), DiMarzio Bluesbucker in bridge position (right guitar)), HX Stomp (Vetta Comp -> Top Secret OD -> Voltage Amp /w customized IR), first half of sound example dry, then guitar bus -> FX send to a bus with Logics (pretty mediocre) Pitch Shifter (+12, 50% mix) serving as a pseudo-shimmer and U-He's (fantastic) MFM2 and a delay-network reverb-ish patch loaded.
Fwiw, I really wish there was a hardware equivalent of U-He's MFM2. Such a fantastic plugin.
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AFKAEjay(retired)
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Works great, nicely done.
I add to my “book of tricks”: if you don’t have a s**tload of tracks recorded, but want “big”, try a shimmer
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Well, tbh, it'd possibly work pretty much as well without the pitch shift, the main impressiveness defenitely comes from MFM2.
AFKAEjay(retired)
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Hush now!…I’m trying to stay away from the “by plugins trap” :)
I think Kemper does a “swelly lots of crossfeedback” delay..gonna try that first.
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Well, you can get away with pretty great stuff for free already. Any onboard pitch shifter, Sixth Sample Deelay (fantastic) and pretty much any verb, done.
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I think I need a “great free plugin” thread
I’m still looking for a nice reverb, I liked the one that came with the UR44 (Yamaha verb), also lexicon pcm 91, Kemper’s, Boss’s are pretty good. I don’t gel with L6’s, QC and anything I find in my current plugins. (Studio one, ndsp rabea, 2015 native instruments, tonex.) Typically the ones I like give a sound that’s too wet when to loud, but still pleasant. The ones I don’t like are in my way as soon as I hear them. I think I’m looking for something with Lexicon dna. Can you recommend anything based on this vague description?
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Just open one. But be warned: That's a DEEEEP rabbit hole, if there ever was one.
If you want free, there's a convolution reverb named "Convology XT", allowing you to load any reverb IRs. And there's tons of them, some nice Lexicon IRs as well.
Here's some of the Bricasti M7:
Bricasti M7 impulse response files
Samplicity's original and highly acclaimed impulse response (IR) files from the Bricasti M7 reverb unit
samplicity.com
Lexicon 480L : Free Impulse Responses
In about 2004 I sat down and recorded a complete set of impulse responses from the legendary & industry standard Lexicon 480L digital reverb unit.
grantnelson.co
- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ once posted a megalink of pretty much all his IRs, look here:
(but that's gotta be the biggest rabbit hole ever...).
Anyhow, we should actually have a free plugin thread. Just one that doesn't explode - so maybe just tried'n'trusted stuff should be posted there.
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Fwiw, @AFKAEjay(retired), if you have the pro version of Studio One, there's an IR plugin inside already, named "Open Air".
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I run the discontinued artist version, but maybe it’s time to uodafe that an se if it turns up
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I run the discontinued artist version, but maybe it’s time to uodafe that an se if it turns up
Well, as long as you're not missing anything substantial, you're not missing anything substantial. I would not update just because of some plugins or such.
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Atm im not, It’s either just guitartracking for someone else…and for my own stuf I only record “pre production”. If it ever goes towards a finished product, if it remains drums/bass/guitar ill probably be fine with what i got… IF I even decide to mix it myself.
But..maybe ill leave the current line of thought, which is “record it as a live band”, and fool around with some sounds and go for a more produced vibe. But ive been out of the production thing so long…last time I did it “for real”, I used an AKAI sampler for drumsounds
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Nah your Nah. You ain't no Musicologist..... or even into researching your uninformed notions, are ya?
And I honestly loathe engaging you because of how tenacious you get with some of your well-reinforced nonsense.
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Well, I studied music at the local music university and had to go through 2 years of rather ancient music history classes as well. Which also covered the very beginnings.
How about you?
the swede
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Wasn’t they being creative with sounds pretty early on? Or that’s what historians assume or something. Probably as communication firstly I would think. In a hardcore world sounds for pleasure and entertainment seems dangerous. Maybe when they were relaxed and safe, in the cave or around the fire they’d make some entertainment sounds…
Idk… I haven’t studied anything. Logic says sounds are useful in ways of communicating which then leads to entertainment or comfort.
And then… did making sounds creatively come before real speech? It’s interesting to think about…
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Sure.
Yeah, from what I remember from my classes (too lazy to google things up), that's a very likely thing to have happened. After all, rhythm is a thing that really lends to communication. I mean, the morse code has been used regularly until not even 100 years ago. Add tone pitches and you have some pretty good means of communication right at your disposal, just using natural ressources.
From all I remember, that's what things sort of were like. Maybe kinda like an accident. Or just because folks found out it was something connective they could as well have fun with.
Defenitely this.
Again, from what I remember, early forms of "music" (which possibly was still largely used for some kinda communication) and whatever early attempts at language showed up at roughly the same time. Which obviously makes sense, considering the foremost aspect has been some sort of communication.
But apparently music has as well been used sort of creatively already. Perhaps not necessarily for greater enjoyment but to enhance communication. But there's things such as early flutes (made of antlers, bones and such) that apparently have been used straight at the time when communication via real language was in its infancy as well.
Anyhow, it was said that all music was once liturgy and sacrament, and that's simply not the entire truth.
Sure, music has been used for whatever kinda ceremonies (think shamans and what not) very early already. But it has as well always been used for enjoyment, too.
And as has been said, in anything we may consider the direct predecessor of music as we know it, churches and the likes obviously played an enormous role, even more so once notation came into play - I mean, ordinary folks simply hadn't much options to write anything down, let alone music. Writing (regardless whether it's chiseling things into stone, using papyrus or whatever) has always been something for the upper class, which historically had firm ties to whatever kinda religious "things". So yes, "liturgy and sacrament" do play a very important role, but it's not the only purpose and not the historical source of music, either. Hence my comment of some dude(ttes) banging around with sticks.
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And fwiw, music also has quite some ties to work. "Worksongs" don't exist for no reason. Especially once your work is pretty monotonous, music can make it more bearable, rhythms are good to synchronize movements, etc. (rowing slaves anyone?).
