Friedman IR-Load

[Whizzinby]

It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's a load box with a stereo effects loop and a stereo power amp.

On behalf of all mouth breathers worldwide, I’m still not clear where the power amp voicing is coming from. It’s tuned to sound like a Friedman power amp from what I’ve seen, is that via a digital mechanism (call it model, filter, process etc) or is the SS power amp itself tuned to sound like a Friedman? IE is it purely analog or is there A/D conversion of the signal to apply some digital Friedman voicing?

 

[GuitarBilly74]

On behalf of all mouth breathers worldwide, I’m still not clear where the power amp voicing is coming from. It’s tuned to sound like a Friedman power amp from what I’ve seen, is that via a digital mechanism (call it model, filter, process etc) or is the SS power amp itself tuned to sound like a Friedman? IE is it purely analog or is there A/D conversion of the signal to apply some digital Friedman voicing?

Probably the same power amp simulation algorithm they use in the IR-X etc, just with the machine learning component added.

If that's the case, it's based off the BE100 power section. And it's actually a really good sounding power amp sim tbh

 

[politoleo]

On behalf of all mouth breathers worldwide, I’m still not clear where the power amp voicing is coming from. It’s tuned to sound like a Friedman power amp from what I’ve seen, is that via a digital mechanism (call it model, filter, process etc) or is the SS power amp itself tuned to sound like a Friedman? IE is it purely analog or is there A/D conversion of the signal to apply some digital Friedman voicing?

Send is analog, is the output of your amp in an accurate 3 LRC stages load (so one stage more than other loads on the market)

Then it get converted at return stage, and reamped using Synergy Machine Learning Poweramp.

When reactance is full, it will act as a Friedman poweramp. You don't want that for a tube poweramp as it will sound like two tube amp cascaded.

When reactance is zero, it will sound just like the amp that has being attenuated, retaining the same punch, which is the reason this product was developed in the first place, as current attenuator on the market weren't as transparent or as punchy.

The above is result of the machine learning poweramp thanks to its cabinet interaction capabilities

It is not a generic or common modeling or simulation, rather a mathematical approach to make a programmable fequency/current/voltage response.

 

[Whizzinby]

Send is analog, is the output of your amp in an accurate 3 LRC stages load (so one stage more than other loads on the market)

Then it get converted at return stage, and reamped using Synergy Machine Learning Poweramp.

When reactance is full, it will act as a Friedman poweramp. You don't want that for a tube poweramp as it will sound like two tube amp cascaded.

When reactance is zero, it will sound just like the amp that has being attenuated, retaining the same punch, which is the reason this product was developed in the first place, as current attenuator on the market weren't as transparent or as punchy.

The above is result of the machine learning poweramp thanks to its cabinet interaction capabilities

It is not a generic or common modeling or simulation, rather a mathematical approach to make a programmable fequency/current/voltage response.

Boom. Exactly what I’m trying to figure out.

So with Reactance at zero, is the digital conversion still occurring or is it just pure transparent power? Once the Reactance gets move from zero, that’s when digital conversion occurs with the Friedman voicing?

 

[paisleywookiee]

Send is analog, is the output of your amp in an accurate 3 LRC stages load (so one stage more than other loads on the market)

Then it get converted at return stage, and reamped using Synergy Machine Learning Poweramp.

When reactance is full, it will act as a Friedman poweramp. You don't want that for a tube poweramp as it will sound like two tube amp cascaded.

When reactance is zero, it will sound just like the amp that has being attenuated, retaining the same punch, which is the reason this product was developed in the first place, as current attenuator on the market weren't as transparent or as punchy.

The above is result of the machine learning poweramp thanks to its cabinet interaction capabilities

It is not a generic or common modeling or simulation, rather a mathematical approach to make a programmable fequency/current/voltage response.

Interesting, thank you for the information. So ideally for a tube amp, you'd want the zero reactance, unless you want it flavored. For use with a preamp, the higher reactance would give you BE power amp flavor. Very cool.

 

[politoleo]

Boom. Exactly what I’m trying to figure out.

So with Reactance at zero, is the digital conversion still occurring or is it just pure transparent power? Once the Reactance gets move from zero, that’s when digital conversion occurs with the Friedman voicing?

No it still converted and algorithm is going to make it sound as good, otherwise would still feel stiff and sterile like existing solution

 

[Chocol8]

For use with a preamp, the higher reactance would give you BE power amp flavor. Very cool.

Yes, but for that use I think the Wampler pedal is a better choice. That one will have 6 power amp profiles to choose from vs the Friedman only having the one. The Friedman product is a load box with stereo loop and stereo power. It could be used as a stereo power amp as well but that's a side use. The Wampler Pedalhead looks to be directly geared for use with pre-amps and modelers.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Yes, but for that use I think the Wampler pedal is a better choice. That one will have 6 power amp profiles to choose from vs the Friedman only having the one. The Friedman product is a load box with stereo loop and stereo power. It could be used as a stereo power amp as well but that's a side use. The Wampler Pedalhead looks to be directly geared for use with pre-amps and modelers.

Yup, agreed. But it's a nice side purpose, if you've got both.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

This thing makes the UA OxBox seem appealing. Which is quite an accomplishment.

 

[CorrosiveMatter]

It looks like the pedal won't be for sale until Black Friday... I wonder if this is on the same timeline.

I'd say about the only thing that the Synergy (BAD) team does is announce stuff that isn't ready for sale for way too long.

I think the 20IR was like 1.5 years or more?

 

[MatrixClaw]

It looks like the pedal won't be for sale until Black Friday... I wonder if this is on the same timeline.

I'd say about the only thing that the Synergy (BAD) team does is announce stuff that isn't ready for sale for way too long.

I think the 20IR was like 1.5 years or more?

They probably get that from their partnership with Fryette

 

[ejecta]

Very curious on the price of this. For once I’m being skeptical out of the gate, but due to my experience with the PS170 or BAM200, I’m not expecting much from this. If it’s the same old Class D with new shit in front of it….meh.

Yeah it’s going to be a wait and see for me. I have my doubts as well that this feels like a tube amp because of some digital modeling tech into a solid state amp.

 

[politoleo]

Yeah it’s going to be a wait and see for me. I have my doubts as well that this feels like a tube amp because of some digital modeling tech into a solid state amp.

So far (NAMM started 3 hours ago) 0 out of 20 was able to tell the difference while playing in ab test against a Smallbox

 

[Blix]

So far (NAMM started 3 hours ago) 0 out of 20 was able to tell the difference while playing in ab test against a Smallbox

19 out of 20 online golden eared neckbeards will pick out the REAL AMP through 117dB of NAMM noise when the first YT videos of it appears!

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

19 out of 20 online golden eared neckbeards will pick out the REAL AMP through 117dB of NAMM noise when the first YT videos of it appears!

Let’s not forget that the actual amp level will be below ambient noise level.

 

[Blix]

Let’s not forget that the actual amp level will be below ambient noise level.

Yeah I know, but that's beside the point (the joke) :)

 

[politoleo]

19 out of 20 online golden eared neckbeards will pick out the REAL AMP through 117dB of NAMM noise when the first YT videos of it appears!

right, that's why It's in a room on the back

 

[Chocol8]

So far (NAMM started 3 hours ago) 0 out of 20 was able to tell the difference while playing in ab test against a Smallbox

So how do I preorder…or better yet, get a beta unit!

 

[Blix]

right, that's why It's in a room on the back

Hehe, excellent.

 

[ejecta]

So far (NAMM started 3 hours ago) 0 out of 20 was able to tell the difference while playing in ab test against a Smallbox

Well if the internet NAMM rumor mill says it’s true then must be.

PS…. I don’t believe one thing that 20 guitarists who I have no clue who they are tell me about anything…. let alone in that shitstorm of noise.