Friedman IR-Load

[Ed DeGenaro]

No, we can't. Because it's loaded down, and re-amplified louder again. You can use whatever term you'd like though.

It’s slaved.
Any tube amp is loaded down, whether load or cab being the load. But go ahead call vibrato as in whammy bar a tremolo.

 

[ax84ch]

Wonder if we'll see this show up in a Synergy head without power tubes. "Nobody could tell the difference in a/b"

 

[paisleywookiee]

It’s slaved.
Any tube amp is loaded down, whether load or cab being the load. But go ahead call vibrato as in whammy bar a tremolo.

It's loaded down to line level (where they stick the effects loop and IR loader) and then re-amped. Better go yell at Tape-Op too (amongst others I found) also calling it "loaded down to line-level, then re-amped".

The Fryette PS-2 Power Station takes the time-tested attenuator concept quite a bit further and adds a 50 W all-tube power amp and an effects loop. The term Integrated Reactance Amplifier, refers to the reactive load that drops the signal coming out of the amplifier down to line-level, internally re-amping the signal through the 50 W tube power amp section. Inserting a reverb or delay in the effects loop results in a great sounding setup that is flexible in live and recording environments alike.

Or......just call it what you want, and I'll call it what I want.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

It's loaded down to line level (where they stick the effects loop and IR loader) and then re-amped.

You know words do having meaning.
Especially since you sorta work in MI.

Re-amping by definition is taking a balanced line level signal and converting it into unbalanced instrument level.

The reamp term is even trademarked.

 

[laxu]

Hey @politoleo could we get a bit of a comparison between Fryette Power Station vs IR-Load?

So the main difference on paper is that the Fryette is a mono tube poweramp and the IR-Load is solid-state and stereo.

The goals with both products are the same:

• Attenuate a tube amp.
• Amplify a low power tube amp to louder levels.
• Work as a poweramp for modelers and preamps.
• Allow some form of direct recording from XLR outs.

Both allow adjusting the poweramp behavior with Volume/Presence/Depth controls.

But after that the differences start to add up.

Reactive load:

The Fryette allows adjusting how the connected amp behaves via its loadbox switches. This in my experience allows the connected tube amp to behave more like if it was connected direct to the cab. I use these switches to match the load behavior to my different cabs, and this allows me to make the Bypass (Amp in -> Speaker out) and Operate (Amp in -> Loadbox -> Poweramp -> Speaker out) states to sound/feel similar.

The IR-Load in comparison seems to have the same loadbox behavior with any amp. Thus the behavior of the connected tube amp to my understandin would remain the same as the reactive load is always the same.

Poweramp:

The Fryette being a tube poweramp, it will always behave like a tube poweramp (albeit a fairly neutral one) into whatever speakers are connected.

The IR-Load by comparison needs to emulate behaving like a tube amp by using the speaker impedance measurement and machine learning model.

If I have understood your posts on TGP correctly, the Reactance knob governs how much of the ML model behavior is applied.

• All the way down and it would be pretty much neutral. Is it more like a "neutral tube amp", or pure solid-state behavior?
• All the way up would behave like a Friedman poweramp. I assume this means similar to e.g a Friedman BE poweramp. Marshallish, middle of the road in how tight/loose it is etc.

Usage with different amps:

With the Fryette you try to match the behavior with the load switches and Presence/Depth.

How would the IR-Load behave with say a Tweed or Vox AC30? The Tweed or AC30 is pretty saggy when cranked, which is at odds with how the poweramp behaves. If the machine learning model represents a more Marshall style poweramp, and the loadbox maybe approximates say a 4x12 cab, how would this work out compared to running a Vox AC30 into 2x12 Celestion Blues for example?

 

[paisleywookiee]

You know words do having meaning.
Especially since you sorta work in MI.

Re-amping by definition is taking a balanced line level signal and converting it into unbalanced instrument level.

The reamp term is even trademarked.

Yeah, they do. They can also have different meanings. How long do you want to have your pedantic panties in a twist about this detail? Just let me know. It's a slow day at the office, so I can keep going. There are a lot of people using the term "re-amp" for the Fryette stuff, so you're going to have a busy day correcting everyone!

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yeah, they do. They can also have different meanings. How long do you want to have your pedantic panties in a twist about this detail? Just let me know. It's a slow day at the office, so I can keep going. There are a lot of people using the term "re-amp" for the Fryette stuff, so you're going to have a busy day correcting everyone!

Not gonna have a busy day. Just gonna shrug off ignorance. Which runs rampant in guitar.

Like legato. Moving on

 

[paisleywookiee]

Not gonna have a busy day. Just gonna shrug off ignorance. Which runs rampant in guitar.

Like legato. Moving on

People know the difference between re-amping a track, and what this is. At least here in the US. No one's fucking confused by it. I have no idea why this is so very important to you, since you clearly can't shrug off the topic. But go ahead and be a dick and call me ignorant.

 

[Whizzinby]

That’s because customarily the chain is mono signal to sauce stereo to power amp.
In this case it’s still a stereo power amp
Amp to load
Load line level to sauce from fx send
Stereo returns back to power amp

I get all this. I have a stereo power amp.

Before the details started pouring out for this, going by the name and the initial pictures, I was like oh snap maybe this has a dual load. (Which would be a first in one box, which is why I don’t hold it against this device for not having a stereo load!)

 

[Frodebro]

How many stereo amps do you know of? I can think of the rivers TBR and that was mono pre into stereo pwr outs.
The split was the loop

If you think use case having two heads loaded down then any company be insane to release that for the maybe 3 guys that would want it.

Come on, you know the drill…. New product gets released, and before it even shows up in demo videos people are rushing to the forums to point out what is wrong with it.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

People know the difference between re-amping a track, and what this is. At least here in the US. No one's fucking confused by it. I have no idea why this is so very important to you, since you clearly can't shrug off the topic. But go ahead and be a dick and call me ignorant.

No one called you ignorant. You’re the one calling me a dick.
I called the whole guitar buyers willingness to misuse terms ignorant.

And whether a term is understood and thus accepted into mainstream Madison square bedroom to the point of manufacturers following around is far from making it correct.

I asked nicely in my initial post. Well if you want go there fine.
Fuck you and act like a cunt.

 

[Frodebro]

No one called you ignorant. You’re the one calling me a dick.
I called the whole guitar buyers willingness to misuse terms ignorant.

And whether a term is understood and thus accepted into mainstream Madison square bedroom to the point of manufacturers following around is far from making it correct.

I asked nicely in my initial post. Well if you want go there fine.
Fuck you and act like a cunt.

It started with Leo Fender (tremolo bridges and Vibrato channels), then people took the brown acid at Woodstock, and from that point on we’ve been in a steady state of mental decline. Resistance is futile.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Fuck you and act like a cunt.

Will do. Fuck off, Ed. Another one for the ignore list.

 

[Blix]

Come on, you know the drill…. New product gets released, and before it even shows up in demo videos people are rushing to the forums to point out what is wrong with it.

One "over there" is calling the new Neural Mini "barely a Nano+" because it has a couple less ins/outs.

 

[Frodebro]

One "over there" is calling the new Neural Mini "barely a Nano+" because it has a couple less ins/outs.

The world is full of people who are not nearly as intelligent as they think they are. Most of them are active TOP members.

 

[banned]

I don't think there's ever been a piece of guitar gear that's been released that's caused more confusion about it actually does.

I hope they have some good content on their website and some videos to explain all of this in plain English (maybe also German)

 

[Frodebro]

I don't think there's ever been a piece of guitar gear that's been released that's caused more confusion about it actually does.

I hope they have some good content on their website and some videos to explain all of this in plain English (maybe also German)

It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's a load box with a stereo effects loop and a stereo power amp.

 

[paisleywookiee]

It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's a load box with a stereo effects loop and a stereo power amp.

Yeah it’s just an extension of what’s already been done with the Power Station, BOSS TAE, Reload II. New bells, freshened whistles.

 

[Chocol8]

Re-amping by definition is taking a balanced line level signal and converting it into unbalanced instrument level.

Yeah no. Paisley is 100% correct on this. What you said is a step in a reamping process.

 

[Frodebro]

Yeah no. Paisley is 100% correct on this. What you said is a step in a reamping process.