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Sedaxel said:
You're absolutely right with regard to the Roland.

This discussion is about my comment about finding surprising that iPads seem to be felt like a cheap solution.

You entered hardly, and you (yes, you) were the one that introduced the "shity windows machine" into the conversation.

Then you hit us because we talk about computers... But it's because you went to that path.

Anyway, I think it's very clear what we all mean. An iPad is what it is, and if you want it to do heavy tasks, it's not exactly cheap.

Even when it's ages ahead of old solutions regarding quality, while the cost can be less (or more... But definitely comparable).
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paisleywookiee said:
Who was comparing it to Windows? I wasn’t.

Additionally, a $350 Windows machine will be an absolute pile of shit.
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paisleywookiee said:
Not as hard of a time as it is for you guys, not realizing I’m not talking about computers.
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I don’t think it’s very usefull to try to compare daws on an iPad to laptops/home setups…different usecases.

In my mind, while a used iPad maybe the cheapest option, i don’t think anyone would/should aim to do very large projects on it, even if the cpu/functionality would allow it. Small screen, no mousse..you don’t wanna be dealing with a s**tload of tracks/editing.

However, laying down an idea, simple demo, recording on location…works fine.

My personal scenario:
I have a macmini in my studio, not mobile, and I spend that many for the soul purpose of recording.
Ipad…I already owned as my personal “pc”…so in a sense, the mobile daw I get from it is close to free, and fine for what I want to do from a mobile device.
 
paisleywookiee said:
That's amazing. I still think cheap laptops are shit. That's my opinion, formed after 25 years in IT. Have a nice day.

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There's also no Lenovo laptop less than $500 USD that's not a complete turd spec-wise on their site.
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This Lenovo had the specs I considered enough for certain tasks. I researched a lot in cpu performances and found a good deal online.

I can ensure you that I track my 7-piece folk band (not simultaneously... I don't have such an interface). Doubling each instrument tracks, and even given some of them 5 or 6 to choose later the best tracks, it makes 20 tracks easily. The Lenovo goes ahead without problems.

That said, when I come home I only the hard disk into my main pc to edit everything.

My point is... That laptop is not shit. For my use case it's perfect. I'm not planning to use it for gaming or video rendering.
 
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
I don’t think it’s very usefull to try to compare daws on an iPad to laptops/home setups…different usecases.
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Absolutely.
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
In my mind, while a used iPad maybe the cheapest option, i don’t think anyone would/should aim to do very large projects on it, even if the cpu/functionality would allow it. Small screen, no mousse..you don’t wanna be dealing with a s**tload of tracks/editing.
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Well, technically you can use a monitor, keyboard and mouse with it.
 
Sedaxel said:
My point is... That laptop is not shit. For my use case it's perfect. I'm not planning to use it for gaming or video rendering.
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That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I would never buy a cheap laptop, because I've seen them die. Over. and over. and over. and over again.
 
Sedaxel said:
This Lenovo had the specs I considered enough for certain tasks. I researched a lot in cpu performances and found a good deal online.

I can ensure you that I track my 7-piece folk band (not simultaneously... I don't have such an interface). Doubling each instrument tracks, and even given some of them 5 or 6 to choose later the best tracks, it makes 20 tracks easily. The Lenovo goes ahead without problems.

That said, when I come home I only the hard disk into my main pc to edit everything.

My point is... That laptop is not shit. For my use case it's perfect. I'm not planning to use it for gaming or video rendering.
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I was doing 60 tracks mixes on pentium computers in 1760 (sure, with steam coming out of the fan), in my mind, plenty scenarios where any modern PC can handle the job.

If you want to use a lot of heavy plugins / virtual instruments it becomes a bit more of an issue maybe.
 
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
I was doing 60 tracks mixes on pentium computers in 1760 (sure, with steam coming out of the fan), in my mind, plenty scenarios where any modern PC can handle the job.

If you want to use a lot of heavy plugins / virtual instruments it becomes a bit more of an issue maybe.
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Audio tracks haven't been labor-intensive for at least a couple decades. I ran plenty of tracks just fine on my home-builts.
 
paisleywookiee said:
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I would never buy a cheap laptop, because I've seen them die. Over. and over. and over. and over again.
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Yeah, that's a point. Fails happen. I never got one in a laptop, but I much prefer desktop computers.

It's just that I also much prefer a laptop to a tablet.

But, we're derailing again...

I have an iPad. I think it's cool. I think it can be used to sound as good as any current digital rig. My whole point about all of these comes about the "cheap"feeling. You know, that vibe of "ha, I can do that even with an iPad!". That surprises me because an iPad is a very sophisticated piece of hardware, and it's not like a raspberry zero (which would be perfect for that cheapo thing comment). I said it because I've started to feel that when that NAM apps appeared for iOS. It was like, hey, you don't almost need to spend anything, you have NAM for iPad!

I don't know I'm able to express what I try to say.
 
I can’t imagine how blowing a bunch of dev resources on a throwaway DAW instead of focusing more aggressively on developing the digital side of their hardware offerings (tonemaster amps/floor) really helps anyone that much.

I guess I’m just not seeing it. This DAW is inevitably future tech debt and abandonware.
 
I have, use, and like my iPad. I have had one in some form or another since the second gen, and I use it every day for something. I also have a Windows computer.

Using my iPad for music is something I've tried several times over the years, but so far it has not really stuck for me outside of some edge cases (e.g. some unique musical toy apps, hooking it up to a MIDI keyboard and using it as synth module, having some fun with Korg Gadget).

At the same time, I can't imagine playing like 3D action games on it without a controller, but there are kids and teens who grew up with touch interfaces and do that all the time. I can't imagine using one as a main office computer either, but I know people of all ages who have basically ditched normal computers and use iPads this way, connecting a keyboard and sometimes mouse in when they need to work on documents.

If someone has an iPad or iPhone and just wants to record some tracks, it's kind of hard to recommend they buy a PC or Mac just to do that when an audio interface plugged into their iDevice will get them very far. For serious mixing and all that, I think it's easier and better to go a "big computer", but for a lot of situations it might be more down to that generational disconnect just like with the games.

There's a reason that Fender's current page for Fender Studio doesn't even show a desktop / laptop screenshot until the very bottom of the page.

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Re: this vs GarageBand on iOS, I think there is an interesting difference. If I make a song in GarageBand for iOS, there is always the option to later graduate to Logic Pro and take my projects with me. If I don't want to use the subscription-based version of Logic on iOS or do want to go to a big computer for more intensive mixing and production, that basically locks me into getting a Mac, which I may not want to get, may not be able to afford, or I might already have another a non-Mac computer I can use.

Fender Studio on the other hand allows project export in the open DAWProject file format, meaning I could upgrade not only to Studio One, but also to Cubase, Bitwig, and possibly others (I'm not sure who all supports it yet). Not to mention simply transferring my project from Fender Studio on iOS to Fender Studio on Windows, Mac, or Linux if I'm fine with the feature set.
 
AFKAEjay(retired) said:
I don’t think it’s very usefull to try to compare daws on an iPad to laptops/home setups…different usecases.

In my mind, while a used iPad maybe the cheapest option, i don’t think anyone would/should aim to do very large projects on it, even if the cpu/functionality would allow it. Small screen, no mousse..you don’t wanna be dealing with a s**tload of tracks/editing.

However, laying down an idea, simple demo, recording on location…works fine.

My personal scenario:
I have a macmini in my studio, not mobile, and I spend that many for the soul purpose of recording.
Ipad…I already owned as my personal “pc”…so in a sense, the mobile daw I get from it is close to free, and fine for what I want to do from a mobile device.
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Yep. There is value in iOS/Android recording capability. I'll never use it, but I can see why it will appeal to some people. It has a very different use case than a DAW machine with a pair of 32" monitors on it and, say, an interface that provides phantom power to condenser mics.
 
ChordInversion said:
I bought my wife the larger iPad Pro last year for her birthday. I'm sure that would do an awesome job, but so would any hardware that costs over a grand.
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It very much depends on the person, and what they’re comfortable with. My uncle uses the iPad with just an interface, to record his ideas. He likes the interface, and has no interest in a PC or Mac. A friend uses a 12” iPad Pro with a little $40 dock, and connects a keyboard, mouse and monitor to it, and works that way.
I could work in any OS. It just depends on what someone prefers. That’s why I think they came out with versions for everything. It’s probably the broadest DAW available, even if it’s simplistic.
 
paisleywookiee said:
It very much depends on the person, and what they’re comfortable with. My uncle uses the iPad with just an interface, to record his ideas. He likes the interface, and has no interest in a PC or Mac. A friend uses a 12” iPad Pro with a little $40 dock, and connects a keyboard, mouse and monitor to it, and works that way.
I could work in any OS. It just depends on what someone prefers. That’s why I think they came out with versions for everything. It’s probably the broadest DAW available, even if it’s simplistic.
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They definitely wanted to hit a range of use cases, and they did. Whether or not the DAW is great enough to woo people who are not tablet users from inexpensive options, I have no idea. I haven't used it much yet.
 
ChordInversion said:
They definitely wanted to hit a range of use cases, and they did. Whether or not the DAW is great enough to woo people who are not tablet users from inexpensive options, I have no idea. I haven't used it much yet.
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I don’t think at release that it compares to Logic or Cubasis, or even GB. But it’s definitely easy to use.
 
Is there an iOS version of Reaper? I’m gonna run my whole live show off $300 Windows tablet. Doesn’t Android’s audio processing have a ton of latency?
 
ian_dissonance said:
Doesn’t Android’s audio processing have a ton of latency?
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Yeah, it's horrible and pretty unstable from my experiences. Samsung once had a low latency protocol going (don't remember the name anymore), but not only was it tied to Samsung devices only, it was even limited to their higher end S series. So it was pretty much DOA.
Even some of the metronome apps I have on my Samsungs (phone and tablet) sometimes don't play the first beat when you press start, the flashing lights aren't in time with the audio, etc.
If one really wants audio on a phone/tablet, there's still nothing even just halfway in the ballpark of iOS. And even iOS is severely crippled compared to macOS/Windows, it's sort of where those were like almost 20 years ago already (open plugin formats, decent file system, connectivity, etc.).

Fwiw, just so that nobody gets me wrong, given it's phones/tablets, it's absolutely stunning what you can achieve under iOS (I also think that my current Samsung devices are the last Android thingies I will ever use, my plans are to switch to iOS), but still, in case you don't use anything specifically designed around touchscreen functionality, for any serious audio work, both macOS and Windows just mop the floor with anything else.
 
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