Does guitar jam well with a piano?

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My teenager has absolutely no interest in learning the guitar after hearing me "twang" for years... Instead, he has taken up the piano and is getting good..

I'm wondering if an electric guitar and a piano can jam together? I'm quite sure they can, but its not something commonly seen.. Can it work?

I'd love to pick a key and just have some fun jamming with him...I just thought I'd get your take...

(special note: please don't beat me up, I've seen keys with guitars many times...I'm just wondering how it could work at home- just jamming with my son..)
 
Of course. A former band I was in had piano (synth piano) and keys. The trick is trying to be complimentary of each other and not take up the same space and timbre as the other within a song.
 
Of course. A former band I was in had piano (synth piano) and keys. The trick is trying to be complimentary of each other and not take up the same space and timbre as the other within a song.

Very cool, thanks ! I also had a neighbor that played piano and I wondered if we could jam... Not sure how this would go down though..

I'm talking about just straight jamming.... You know, pick a 1 4 5 chord progression and just have fun. Easy with another guitarist or bassist, but I'm not sure about a Piano.

I guess we'll just have to try it and see what happens.
 
Billy Joel, Elton John, Supertramp, Styx, Journey, Deep Purple…

But at the end of the day, you’re going to want to find music that he’s into and go with that. You can make suggestions all day long, but if he’s not into it he’s not going to stick with it.
 
Very cool, thanks ! I also had a neighbor that played piano and I wondered if we could jam... Not sure how this would go down though..

I'm talking about just straight jamming.... You know, pick a 1 4 5 chord progression and just have fun. Easy with another guitarist or bassist, but I'm not sure about a Piano.

I guess we'll just have to try it and see what happens.
The important thing is using your ears and having fun. :grin
Knowing different chord voicings around the neck helps too.
 
I'm talking about just straight jamming.... You know, pick a 1 4 5 chord progression and just have fun.
That's one definition of "straight jamming." FYI, there are others that you may find worth exploring. Also FYI, any instrument can jam with any other instrument. How well it works out depends entirely on the jammers and how well they mesh. Meaning, how well they listen and adapt to each other.

When you say your teenager is "getting good," what exactly do you mean? Do you recognize familiar things in his playing? Is he learning licks, chords, or both? Can you play or play with those things? Can you show him the notes in the chords you play? If so, you should at a minimum be able to play 12-bar blues with him, assuming that that falls within his range of interests.
 
Billy Joel, Elton John, Supertramp, Styx, Journey, Deep Purple…

But at the end of the day, you’re going to want to find music that he’s into and go with that. You can make suggestions all day long, but if he’s not into it he’s not going to stick with it.

I was hoping to "jam"---- you know... Make our own songs, learn music etc... Have fun.

I had a bassist friend that had been playing a few weeks. I explained to him that we would be playing in E... I showed him the big fat E string and told him to just have fun with that single note and to come home to it..I also showed him a few other notes to play with... We had a blast ! We played for an hour or so and found a little groove that worked..His comment was " that was Epic--I had no idea how much fun this would be." He was instantly hooked..

With the Piano, maybe we need to know the same song to start, we'll see... Maybe we can jam too, I'm just not sure...
 
That's one definition of "straight jamming." FYI, there are others that you may find worth exploring. Also FYI, any instrument can jam with any other instrument. How well it works out depends entirely on the jammers and how well they mesh. Meaning, how well they listen and adapt to each other.
I hear you and get what your saying.. I can play---no problem there... But for someone new on the Piano I'm just not sure how to lay it out. Maybe learn a simple song or a chord progression and have him get a feel for it?

Not everyone can jam either, some people just can't. /agree with above about Meshing....


When you say your teenager is "getting good," what exactly do you mean? Do you recognize familiar things in his playing? Is he learning licks, chords, or both? Can you play or play with those things? Can you show him the notes in the chords you play? If so, you should at a minimum be able to play 12-bar blues with him, assuming that that falls within his range of interests.

He is able to play complex classical pieces that he has learned from the internet. I was blown away to hear some of the stuff he is playing, he's been a little shy about it.. He is resistant to "dad lessons" so, thats a no go...

Yes, 12 bars blues is perfect ! Let me see if I can get him on track to learn something.. He is NOT a fan of the blues, for some reason likes big band, Sinatra and classical. His musical taste is very complex---no gangsta rap here ! In any case, maybe I can find something that he likes that the guitar can blend in with...

Thanks, I really appreciate this great response !
 
I was hoping to "jam"---- you know... Make our own songs, learn music etc... Have fun.

I had a bassist friend that had been playing a few weeks. I explained to him that we would be playing in E... I showed him the big fat E string and told him to just have fun with that single note and to come home to it..I also showed him a few other notes to play with... We had a blast ! We played for an hour or so and found a little groove that worked..His comment was " that was Epic--I had no idea how much fun this would be." He was instantly hooked..

With the Piano, maybe we need to know the same song to start, we'll see... Maybe we can jam too, I'm just not sure...

Better teach that bassist the key of C, or your kid is going to be hating life. G and F are fairly easy on the keyboard as well.
 
Better teach that bassist the key of C, or your kid is going to be hating life. G and F are fairly easy on the keyboard as well.

Roger that---- I picked the Key of E for the bassist because I've been around the block...I knew he could thump on the big fat E string and I could feel my way around easily... It worked very well...Much credit to the bassist, he had natural timing and was amazing for someone so new to an instrument... Not everyone can do what he did, my bet is he will go far.. (he moved, I lost touch)..

No bassist for this, it will be just me and my kid--guitar and piano. The key of C is perfect---good tip. I'll look for some songs now...
 
Not everyone can jam either, some people just can't. /agree with above about Meshing....
I think the word you're looking for is improvisation. This is part of what I was getting at in my questions. My sister is an accomplished classical pianist. Her skills are intimidating to me. She can sight-read incredibly complex music. She couldn't pick out "Three Blind Mice" by ear, however, nor could she take a solo over chord changes, no matter how simple. Improvisation is an alien world to her.
He is able to play complex classical pieces that he has learned from the internet.
That might or might not mean he's developed a good ear. Can he learn a song from hearing it alone?
Yes, 12 bars blues is perfect ! Let me see if I can get him on track to learn something.. He is NOT a fan of the blues, for some reason likes big band, Sinatra and classical.
Oh, big bands play a lot of 12-bar blues. Here's one example:

There are lots of jazz standards based on 12-bar blues progressions: "Straight No Chaser," "Tenor Madness," "Route 66," "Blue Monk," etc.
maybe I can find something that he likes that the guitar can blend in with...
There's guitar in Sinatra's music. Another example:
 
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I think the word you're looking for is improvisation. This is part of what I was getting at in my questions. My sister is an accomplished classical pianist. Her skills are intimidating to me. She can sight-read incredibly complex music. She couldn't pick out "Three Blind Mice" by ear, however, nor could she take a solo over chord changes, no matter how simple. Improvisation is an alien world to her.

Man, I could spend hours with you discussing this topic. My sister is the same as yours, a very good violinist that can read music and play very well...The problem is, she doesn't play-- at all... Why? Its boring to her, its not fun.. I've asked her to jam and its a no go. She can't unless the music is written...

I really feel music should be fun, something you enjoy. If you enjoy playing, it can push you to learn and put in some work...

My first lesson was with a great guitar teacher... He taught me Pentatonics. He played a chord progression and told me to move around the pentatonic scale slowly, coming back to root. I caught on fast and had a lot of fun---This one lesson, taken so many years ago, did more for me than you can ever imagine...

In any case, I feel strongly that jamming--(Improvisation)--- is a great place to start in music.. I'd like my boy to play some chords and I can jump in with tasty licks...Then flip it around, I play chords and he has some fun.

That might or might not mean he's developed a good ear. Can he learn a song from hearing it alone?

Oh, big bands play a lot of 12-bar blues. Here's one example:

There are lots of jazz standards based on 12-bar blues progressions: "Straight No Chaser," "Tenor Madness," "Route 66," "Blue Monk," etc.


There's guitar in Sinatra's music. Another example:


Checked these out, great stuff... Perfect, thank you... My only complaint is that I am NOT a fan of Robben Ford... Long story, he is an amazing guitarist (kind of) but I won't drift too far on this... I took online lessons from him----they were the worst. I think his head is a little too big.... That's all I'll say... Its a great example though---I can live with Robben for this..
 
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My sister is the same as yours, a very good violinist that can read music and play very well...The problem is, she doesn't play-- at all... Why? Its boring to her, its not fun..
I'd recommend that she find other classical musicians to play with, perhaps a string quartet. There are lots and lots of non-improvising musicians who love to play. I play in two big bands. Most of the horn players in both of the bands don't improvise. At least half a dozen of those non-improvisors are career music educators, mostly band directors. And they enjoy playing in the bands (and read and play excellent, BTW). My sister - who is in her late 60s - still takes piano lessons, performs concerts/recitals, and attends week-long piano clinics. IMO she's a little too intense in trying to execute flawlessly and would sound better (and enjoy playing more) if she lightened up just a little.
I've asked her to jam and its a no go. She can't unless the music is written...
Understood. My sister and I have never jammed. She would be completely out of her element playing jazz standards, blues, rock 'n' roll, funk, or pop. And, although I do practice some classical pieces, I'd be entirely out of my league trying to play a piece with her.
I really feel music should be fun, something you enjoy. If you enjoy playing, it can push you to learn and put in some work...
Agreed.
My first lesson was with a great guitar teacher... He taught me Pentatonics. He played a chord progression and told me to move around the pentatonic scale slowly, coming back to root. I caught on fast and had a lot of fun---This one lesson, taken so many years ago, did more for me than you can ever imagine...
Oddly enough, I taught myself minor pentatonic while learning the guitar solo in "Louie, Louie" by ear.

I then realized that the guitar solos in lots of other tunes used the same scale structure, and I started fooling around with improvisation using the scale. I had no idea that it had a name. I learned what is now called "CAGED" in similar fashion: I watched a guitar-playing HS classmate play a "G" shape in a song and realized that all the "cowboy" chord shapes could be made movable by barring with the first finger. This was 1968; I first saw the CAGED acronym around ca. 2000. BTW, here's that same guitar player today:

In any case, I feel strongly that jamming--(Improvisation)--- is a great place to start in music..
I'm in full agreement. Unfortunately, it wasn't a part of my early music education. When I changed a couple notes in "Cockels and Muissels" to match a recording we had (Burl Ives), my violin teacher said, "never do that," which played a pretty big role in my ultimate loss of interest in continuing music lessons. My guitar path was the opposite of that - I didn't learn to read music on guitar for more than a decade after I began - and there were no teachers I knew of in my small town who could teach improvisational concepts.
My only complaint is that I am NOT a fan of Robben Ford...
FWIW, neither am I. That clip was the first example I found on YT of a big band playing straight blues. Of the 400+ charts in the book of one of the big bands I play in, a substantial portion are 12-bar blues. One of the charts the other band played at a recent concert is "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy," a 12-bar blues.
Long story, he is an amazing guitarist (kind of) but I won't drift too far on this... I took online lessons from him----they were the worst.
While I respect what Robben Ford does as a player, I personally wouldn't look to a player like him for lessons. I've never tried online lessons anyway. I could see some significant limitations in that format, and there is an abundance of world-class guitarists who are also excellent teachers here in the DFW area.
 
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