Clones and copies?

Sascha Franck said:
And it seems to be common knowledge that Duesenberg guitars are partially made in Croatia. Otherwise we wouldn't be discussing about it.




This very video is posted straight on Duesenberg's startpage:



No idea how anyone would think they're entirely made in Germany when the video takes you to Varazdin (Croatia) 1 minute in.
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Then why aren't they that transparent on the rest of their site? Having it in one place doesn't change the other places that imply they are built in germany. I also see that now you're saying "entirely made in Germany"

Look as I said I'm not attacking them and certainly not knocking the quality of the instruments. I just feel they could be clearer on their marketing and website.
 
Richard_G said:
@Sascha Franck ; Are you in any way, shape or form affiliated with Duesenberg or any company related to Duesenberg?
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No. He’s not alone in his “dude, we get it, Eagle. You are butt-hurt about where Duesenbergs are made and think they’re over-priced. But aside from the cost of some of the hardware, you haven’t shown any evidence that the guitars aren’t well built”. But most of us had that argument once and that was enough, where Sasscha…like Eagle…is not one to pass up a chance to make a point go made over and over again.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Does, say, Fender claim anything different? Don't they have "american guitar making tradition" plastered all over the place, regardless of where the guitars are actually made?
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Well my Fender Coma says Made In USA, my Charvel says Made In Mexico, Strandberg Made In Indonesia, etc…Duesenberg up until they moved the builds to Croatia obfuscated. And still have no Made In… on the guitar from what I can see.

And it’s not just the guitars where the play on folk’s gullibility, the amps as well….

From their site…
Handwiring only the best components leads to an extra direct tone that can be used perfectly as an effects platform.

And here we go…PC construction with flying leads, so not hand wired or what is customarily thought of as hand wired. Marketing double talk.

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Sascha Franck said:
What exactly is intransparent there? They're just showing their guitars. Do they have to write "body assembly and painting in Croatia" under each guitar?
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Well enjoy your hill, I'm climbing down now tbh. I admitted in my first post that you could find where they were made on the site but that in other sections they also heavily implied they were made in Germany. They could be clearer IMO but we're just going round in circles now.
 
SillyOctpuss said:
Well enjoy your hill, I'm climbing down now tbh. I admitted in my first post that you could find where they were made on the site but that in other sections they also heavily implied they were made in Germany. They could be clearer IMO but we're just going round in circles now.
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Boudoir Guitar said:
No. He’s not alone in his “dude, we get it, Eagle. You are butt-hurt about where Duesenbergs are made and think they’re over-priced. But aside from the cost of some of the hardware, you haven’t shown any evidence that the guitars aren’t well built”. But most of us had that argument once and that was enough, where Sasscha…like Eagle…is not one to pass up a chance to make a point go made over and over again.
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I’ve had lots on my bench. They aren’t terrible but they are no better than PRS SE but cost double and obfuscate the production. They are built by cheap OEM builders and try to suggest they are high end . They are very different from Strandberg in approach. Strandberg use high end parts and materials but cut costs on labour. Duesenberg use cheap materials and labour. Own brand hardware made by a cheap Korean manufacturer and $10 G&B pickups. All other brands using the same sources and materials are at least 50% cheaper.
If you think that’s ok buy one.
 
Which reminds me Mesa went to Hand built in California or something to Built from foreign an domestic parts in the US iirc to now hand wired in Petaluma.

That’s the kinda shit that isn’t ok.

Tyler’s, very clear if they’re US, Japan or China built.
PRS clear if US or China
Ibanez clear if Japan or Indonesia.

The obfuscations in MI are literally the shit we’re screaming about the Turra clown.
 
Eagle said:
I’ve had lots on my bench. They aren’t terrible but they are no better than PRS SE but cost double and obfuscate the production. They are built by cheap OEM builders and try to suggest they are high end . They are very different from Strandberg in approach. Strandberg use high end parts and materials but cut costs on labour. Duesenberg use cheap materials and labour. Own brand hardware made by a cheap Korean manufacturer and $10 G&B pickups. All other brands using the same sources and materials are at least 50% cheaper.
If you think that’s ok buy one.
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Blah blah blah. At least you show pics of Sire.
 
Ed DeGenaro said:
Which reminds me Mesa went to Hand built in California or something to Built from foreign an domestic parts in the US iirc to now hand wired in Petaluma.

That’s the kinda shit that isn’t ok.

Tyler’s, very clear if they’re US, Japan or China built.
PRS clear if US or China
Ibanez clear if Japan or Indonesia.

The obfuscations in MI are literally the shit we’re screaming about the Turra clown.
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Not making excuses for Mesa, but California’s laws for what is allowed to be called “Made in USA” are pretty strict/weird, AFAIK.

That’s why Fenders are just stamped “Corona, California”, and Friedmans say either “Assembled in Los Angeles, CA” or simply “Los Angeles”, whereas they used to say “Made in Los Angeles, CA”.

Not sure if the law changed, the content of the amps changed; or what.

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Key Provisions of California's "Made in USA" Labeling Law​


  1. 5% Foreign Content Rule: A product can be labeled "Made in USA" if the foreign components constitute no more than 5% of the product's final wholesale value. Investopedia+12gtlaw.com+12SGSCorp+12
  2. 10% Foreign Content Exception: If a manufacturer can demonstrate that certain components are not available domestically—excluding considerations of cost—the product may contain up to 10% foreign content by final wholesale value. Robins Kaplan+7ArentFox Schiff+7fkks.com+7
  3. Exemptions for Out-of-State Sales: The statute does not apply to merchandise sold for resale to consumers outside of California. SGSCorp+2Casetext+2
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paisleywookiee said:
Not making excuses for Mesa, but California’s laws for what is allowed to be called “Made in USA” are pretty strict/weird, AFAIK.

That’s why Fenders are just stamped “Corona, California”, and Friedmans say either “Assembled in Los Angeles, CA” or simply “Los Angeles”, whereas they used to say “Made in Los Angeles, CA”.

Not sure if the law changed, the content of the amps changed; or what.

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That’s what I gathered. That going by city will circumvent it.
 
@Eagle how do you know the pickups are G&B? Are they stamped G&B underneath? I was just having a look and have found this same article on a lot of Duesenberg dealers websites.

This is claiming they make the pickups and implying they make the guitars. If it's incorrect then duesenberg should really be stopping their dealers advertising their brand this way. I'd be surprised if the article hasn't come from duesenberg considering it's on different retailers websites.

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