Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)
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paisleywookiee
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Dude. I haven't referred to anything about you since Monday, with the exception of the "roll eyes" meme. How about taking a walk, get some fresh air, relaxing a bit? How about you stop making this about yourself, and get it back to the topic?
Ed DeGenaro
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paisleywookiee
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Honestly, Tonecracy's calibration thing is huge, IMO. ToneX is a pain in the balls. That and I suppose mixing both component modeling and capturing in one app.
That's why I was poking fun at IK, is that they'll see this, and yet not think it'd be a good thing to implement in ToneX.
Ed DeGenaro
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For me? It lets me do things i ccant do with tonex or nam…like run multiple amps in parallel.
Plus i can load nam profiles, the calibration thing is a no brainer.
Enchilada Jones
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My impression is both ToneX and Tonocracy have a lot of things missing but the foundation in Tonocracy is a good solid start, just missing what seems to be obvious improvements whether its something simple like a users manual or more serious like more content effects choices etc.
Where as, Tonex is also missing a lot of obvious stuff that is going to have to start with reworking its foundation or it will always be a clusterfuck and they have been released for a lot longer.
If Tonocracy starts regular updates it is ToneX that is going to wither on the vine. If somehow Tonocracy starts and continues updating stuff at anything close to a Fractal pace and throws a few good hardware options our way then the overused phrase 'Game Changer' becomes totally appropriate instead of cringe worthy.
Of course Fractal could drop a firmware update that includes NAM blocks and solid capture options in their next update and.....
Where as, Tonex is also missing a lot of obvious stuff that is going to have to start with reworking its foundation or it will always be a clusterfuck and they have been released for a lot longer.
If Tonocracy starts regular updates it is ToneX that is going to wither on the vine. If somehow Tonocracy starts and continues updating stuff at anything close to a Fractal pace and throws a few good hardware options our way then the overused phrase 'Game Changer' becomes totally appropriate instead of cringe worthy.
Of course Fractal could drop a firmware update that includes NAM blocks and solid capture options in their next update and.....
MirrorProfiles
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I’m curious about the component modelled stuff - it’s not really clear where the line is drawn between the capture tech and the schematics. All I can assume is that they’re like liquid profiles - modelled tonestacks with a capture as the core sound.
I’m curious to know because it can give indications on what’s possible - if it’s more heavily leaning on algorithms/schematics, then it means that models can be more flexible.
Power amp modelling is what makes or breaks amp sims for me - With included models, I quite like to know exactly what load has been used. With Helix it’s typically the matching cab (or a mesa 4x12 for newer high gain amps). With Fractal and STL you can adjust impedance curve and this gives an extra layer of accuracy that is what modern emulations should offer.
Would also be cool if there was metadata available to search/filter user models based on the load used - would be cool to just see models that are made with a real cab load, or a particular known load box (for instance).
I’m curious to know because it can give indications on what’s possible - if it’s more heavily leaning on algorithms/schematics, then it means that models can be more flexible.
Power amp modelling is what makes or breaks amp sims for me - With included models, I quite like to know exactly what load has been used. With Helix it’s typically the matching cab (or a mesa 4x12 for newer high gain amps). With Fractal and STL you can adjust impedance curve and this gives an extra layer of accuracy that is what modern emulations should offer.
Would also be cool if there was metadata available to search/filter user models based on the load used - would be cool to just see models that are made with a real cab load, or a particular known load box (for instance).
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Enchilada Jones
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Yea, I just noticed a few captures I loaded up that have a Cab off/on option. I'm guessing that is a capture that had amp and cab captured as one? Sure would be nice to have resource to look up that info. And of course to filter by that bit of data when looking for stuff to audition.
paisleywookiee
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I just don't see that happening though, and they've got a proven track record of NOT updating things. But yeah, it would be nice. ToneX sure hasn't made any significant improvements in a year.
I mean, maybe this is a fresh start, who knows?
I don't think it's been mentioned, but given their history of hardware, it's a fair bet that it's in their minds.
Enchilada Jones
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I don't think they have said there was but lots of us are assuming it must be in the plans. Atomic was born from making hardware with I believe some arrangement or acquisition of a software modeling entity. It seems like the simplest explanation for Atomic to be involved.Super late for this party, so, bear with me: is there a hardware product planned for Tonocracy?
Love me some Atomic Amps, but i stopped caring about plugins a long time ago
What can I say, I'm an optimist...jaded and hyper critical when disappointed but always open with optimism.
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It be insane nit to wanna do this. But im guessing
paisleywookiee
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If anything, the plug-in first is more a surprise, than hardware would be.
Enchilada Jones
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My guess is it was a tactical decision because they sense that other players are jumping in this arena and it helps to be one of the first. Gambling that they're not-finished-state was still good enough to compare nicely to Tonex and the raw NAM options.
Total guess work on my part, hopefulness really, because if I'm right then hardware and a stream of updates will be incoming to support their opening gambit. Which translates to lots of fun for me!
paisleywookiee
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I think it’s also the cheap point of entry will generate a larger catalog of captures for when the eventual hardware is released.
MirrorProfiles
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Wonder if they’ll have to support NAM (or some way to convert to their own format) to support HW and presets transferring. Again opens some copyright cans of worms
paisleywookiee
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NAM is open source, so I don't think there's a big problem there. Some other hardware already supports it, like the Mod Duo.
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NAM is Python-based (PyTorch), which means it cannot be made to easily run on the normal ARM or SHARC platforms most modelers use - not without non-trivial rework, at the least.
