Asking for a friend: Catalyst vs. Spider V?

No, I will see if I came across a line 6 spider five. I think it is the latest head with those stereo speakers built in the head. I probably would buy it if it was pretty good price just because it has a ton of effects and it’s stereo and it’s in a head version, but I never see those around you at all even new in the stores not sure if it’s been discontinued but maybe one day I used one will pop up.
 
No, I will see if I came across a line 6 spider five. I think it is the latest head with those stereo speakers built in the head. I probably would buy it if it was pretty good price just because it has a ton of effects and it’s stereo and it’s in a head version, but I never see those around you at all even new in the stores not sure if it’s been discontinued but maybe one day I used one will pop up.
I wasn’t aware this existed, but it sounds cool! (I do see a katana head that appears to have speakers in it - is that what you mean?)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
Yes, the katana GEN three is it has speaker inside but it’s not stereo. I’m not sure if the artist head has one or not. I don’t think so but that spider V head does have stereo speakers built-in. I think they’re full range.
 
Yes, the katana GEN three is it has speaker inside but it’s not stereo. I’m not sure if the artist head has one or not. I don’t think so but that spider V head does have stereo speakers built-in. I think they’re full range.
That is very cool.

Seems like you can get them used now from 299 to 399. I think they were like $1400 new
And that is kind of insane.

(But I'm trying to shop for my friend here, not myself dammit.)
 
I bought a 100w Cat. Looked nice for the money. The feature set looked nice. When it arrived it took me about 20-30 minutes and I knew it was going back. It just didn’t excite me. Now if I were 15yo heck yeah, awesome amp. I also tried a Kat in a GC. I think it was probably the 50w combo. I immediately turned it to the brown voice expecting great things. Nope and to be fair I think it was gen 1. Fast forward a few years and I run across a crazy deal on an Artist Gen 2 1x12. I do a bit of research and realize I’m not paying too much more in this deal than Boss wants for the Waza 100w Greenback speaker alone.

So I pull the trigger and am pleasantly surprised. I keep it and am pretty dang happy with my new “beater” amp I can take anywhere and leave my expensive stuff at home.

Then the Gen 3 comes out and another deal popped up. So I bought it and really enjoy the improvements and as my pal @timbuck3 mentioned, the bloom and pushed channel/voice are pretty dang sweet. I consider the gen 3 Kat to be a mature product. I believe the Cats are gen 1 but I could be wrong.

Finally, I am a big believer that speakers are a huge part of the voice of an amp. The Artist has that covered in spades IMO.

Links for grins.


 
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IME, the Spider is okay, but the Catalyst is better. Either way for the price, he could get both and not get hurt.

The other guitarist in our band has an older spider he uses at practice and it never sounded better than my Catalyst to me.

A better option would be to get the 100w Catalyst and pick up a Stomp. Best of both worlds , IMO.
Agreed. I have a Catalyst CX 100 and think it's a great amp for practice and home playing. It's good enough to gig with too.

Catalyst. It’s loud as fuck and uses models from the Helix platform.

I’ve tried Katanas and they’ve always sounded like typical BOSS modeling to my ears.
I was surprised at how loud the CX 100 can get and it has plenty of clean headroom.

I'm going to try it with a couple of pedals but I've been enjoying playing plugged straight in so far.
 
I also tried a Kat in a GC. I think it was probably the 50w combo. I immediately turned it to the brown voice expecting great things. Nope and to be fair I think it was gen 1.
This was precisely my experience at GC on Monday. I can't say for sure whether the Kat was a 50W or 100W, or whether it was gen 1, 2, or 3. All I know is it sounded like a can of bees when I turned it on, and selecting "Brown" didn't help in any way I would have expected. Nor did turning any of the other knobs.

Finally, I am a big believer that speakers are a huge part of the voice of an amp. The Artist has that covered in spades IMO.
Absolutely. But this guy is 1000% not interested in buying a $350 amp and then spending another $250 on a speaker upgrade. He's trying to make life simpler LOL.
 
This was precisely my experience at GC on Monday. I can't say for sure whether the Kat was a 50W or 100W, or whether it was gen 1, 2, or 3. All I know is it sounded like a can of bees when I turned it on, and selecting "Brown" didn't help in any way I would have expected. Nor did turning any of the other knobs.


Absolutely. But this guy is 1000% not interested in buying a $350 amp and then spending another $250 on a speaker upgrade. He's trying to make life simpler LOL.
I didn’t know it’s that much $ for just that speaker, geez… I got my gen3 artist 1-12 100 for a little more then that used
 
This was precisely my experience at GC on Monday. I can't say for sure whether the Kat was a 50W or 100W, or whether it was gen 1, 2, or 3. All I know is it sounded like a can of bees when I turned it on, and selecting "Brown" didn't help in any way I would have expected. Nor did turning any of the other knobs.


Absolutely. But this guy is 1000% not interested in buying a $350 amp and then spending another $250 on a speaker upgrade. He's trying to make life simpler LOL.
The speaker is stock in the Artist
 
The problem that your friend has is the same one I had and probably many others have had. I expected a "all-in-one" amp would check all the boxes. Unfortunately, he is probably going to find out that a "Jack-of-all-trades" amp will be a "Master-of-none". If raw amp tones are more important to him, the Catalyst will be better. If he thinks the effects are more important, he should get a Katana if he is looking at a "all-in-one" solutions. For me, I use very few effects when I play and I'm looking for the best raw amp tone I can get.

A buddy that gigs has a Katana head & 112 cabs setup and when I went to see his band play with it, it did not impress me at all in a live setting. It sounded good but could not cut through and was getting swallowed by the bass & drums. I never had that problem with my Catalyst 200. He is very experienced so I am going to assume he had it at it's best. He was trying to find a lighter solution than his Marshall 410 or Vox AC30, but fell short with the Katana in a live setting with his band.

I recently sold my Catalyst 200 because I upgraded to Marshall heads and cabs, but when I had my Catalyst, I mostly used it with my Stomp XL in poweramp mode and it kept up with the band just fine and always sounded pretty good, just never great to my ears.

If I had to do it all over, looking back I would have gotten a 20w Marshall DSL tube amp combo, or DSL head and 212, and a Stomp for amp modelling and effects. A very versatile setup that wont break the bank but will be able to handle it all.
 
The problem that your friend has is the same one I had and probably many others have had. I expected a "all-in-one" amp would check all the boxes. Unfortunately, he is probably going to find out that a "Jack-of-all-trades" amp will be a "Master-of-none". If raw amp tones are more important to him, the Catalyst will be better. If he thinks the effects are more important, he should get a Katana if he is looking at a "all-in-one" solutions. For me, I use very few effects when I play and I'm looking for the best raw amp tone I can get.
First off, great post.

I think my friend started out with the same posture one often assumes when they don't have a lot of experience, which is to look at the options and assume you need them all, on the mere basis that they exist. But he's just coming away from a bad experience with a modeler/ multi-FX box (NUX MG-30) and he really wants to simplify.

He was looking at the Fender FR-10 to amplify his NUX, but I think the cost scared him off. Then I lent him my ancient Flextone II thinking he could just use the power amp and speaker, but he wound up just using the whole combo standalone... and having a blast with it. (Unfortunately, its power amp started to crap out a few hours later, so that's back to being an end table LOL.)

This brings us to his current dilemma of going Spider with a software editor and a zillion effects, or Catalyst with fewer effects and perhaps better tone, or a Katana that seems to hang somewhere in the middle depending on how you're judging it, but at a higher price point. But as I've said, he's looking for "simple", and he's not a huge effects guy, so a decent variety of good amp tones is the important thing.

I recently sold my Catalyst 200 because I upgraded to Marshall heads and cabs, but when I had my Catalyst, I mostly used it with my Stomp XL in poweramp mode and it kept up with the band just fine and always sounded pretty good, just never great to my ears.
I just sold my HX Stomp for a song :( but I don't think my friend was ready to invest in both a Catalyst and an arguably redundant modeler anyway.

If I had to do it all over, looking back I would have gotten a 20w Marshall DSL tube amp combo, or DSL head and 212, and a Stomp for amp modelling and effects. A very versatile setup that wont break the bank but will be able to handle it all.
I'm just waking up to these DSLs myself - cheap, LOUD, easy, and they sound great! Who knew?! (Well, everybody but me it seems...) I'd have pushed him in this direction but again, he was fixed on an all-in-one modeling combo. I don't think he has any interest in "being a tube amp guy" and jumping into rabbit holes filled with overdrive pedals etc. etc. etc. for the next few years. He just wants something he can stick in the corner and play some cool riffs on every couple of days. :)
 
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