%125 Chinese Tariff ..... can we talk about it here ?

[DLC86]

IK Tonex. China.

No, those are entirely made in Italy (except for chips obviously), see the factory tour video Leo Gibson did a while ago.

 

[Eagle]

The reason China is the manufacturing hub of the world is largely because USA companies outsourced their manufacturing to increase profits without any trickle down. It will be a big win for China and will greatly accelerate their becoming the number one economy in the world which was due to happen in 7 years anyway as things were.
The USA can’t manufacture a lot of the things china makes and them be competitive outside the USA so you end up with industry that can’t sell to the rest of the world. WHO is going to invest in this because the USA is likely to change policy in 4 years. They will sit it out and USA citizens will pay ALL of the bills.
This is not political it’s just counting.

 

[laxu]

No, those are entirely made in Italy (except for chips obviously), see the factory tour video Leo Gibson did a while ago.

Thanks for the correction. Did not know that. Assembled in Italy it is then.

 

[Eagle]

No, those are entirely made in Italy (except for chips obviously), see the factory tour video Leo Gibson did a while ago.

And all of the components.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Unpolitical question: If I’d import a chinese Wangs amp and then send it from Germany to America… would the tariff for the recipient be 10% or 100+%?

I‘m smelling opportunities.

 

[Eagle]

Unpolitical question: If I’d import a chinese Wangs amp and then send it from Germany to America… would the tariff for the recipient be 10% or 100+%?

I‘m smelling opportunities.

Add them together

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Add them together

Sooo… no profitable smuggling for TTZ?!

 

[BenIfin]

..... could probably move to US made PCBs, Analog Devices chips and chassis if they aren't using these already. But there's still a lot of Chinese made components that would be tariffed, increasing their materials bill significantly.

Imagine the poor Accountant who will have to sit down and compare (a) the "new" tariff cost regime to (b) re-stocking / re-tooling with all or mainly USA parts regime. This is no slam dunk either way.

And its quite probable that in the "wash out" any differences will be outweighed by the new ordering / stocking / compliancing etc... time. You are talking many months at least - with zero sales and manufacturing in the meantime, and even then, the "new" wholesale and retail prices will still massively rise.

Ask any 10 Economists how a single Economic Decision will flow through a company or a country and you will get 431 different scenarios.

Ask 1,000,000 Economists who ever wins a Tariff War and you will get "nobody" x 1,000,000

There aren't many immutable "facts" in Economics, but this is top of the list for every Tariff "dispute" ever waged.

 

[Eagle]

The last time this was tried ended in WW2.
Free trade benefits everyone. Again not political just historical facts. The UK and USA were largely built on free trade.

 

[Sedaxel]

I´m not really sure if it´s more crazy that a thing like that tiny sonicake NAM player, with touch screen and all of that, costs $65... or all this tariff madness.

I think things should cost what they should cost. That Sonicake should cost nearly $200 if dignity of working people matters something. The bad part of that is that... well... the Ampero Stage should cost way more than it does... and no to speak about the Kemper, Helix, QC, Fractal...

Then, many of us would be much less affected by GAS, I guess...

But the world is not like that, YET. I think this tariffs madness responds to a man will of making money. At the end, everything will come back to a logical state, I´m sure.

 

[BenIfin]

Add them together

Yep.

 

[BenIfin]

.... At the end, everything will come back to a logical state, I´m sure.

Much, much, much sooner than later I hope !

 

[maguchi]

Some good info on this thread. However I think the info us common folk are privy to is very partial. Even the pros whose full time job 5 days a week 8 hours a day is to research financial markets and even they have a hard time accurately predicting what's going to happen in finance. I'm not willing to put in the hours the pros do to know what will happen.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Yes I pretty much say that in the last paragraph of my post.

E.g Fractal could probably move to US made PCBs, Analog Devices chips and chassis if they aren't using these already. But there's still a lot of Chinese made components that would be tariffed, increasing their materials bill significantly.

The boards compared to everything else is not much.
When I was at THD the owner wanted to get all small US manufacturers get together to label amps “assembled from domestic and foreign components in the USA”.

Because some of the guys think putting the chassis in the head shell constitutes “assembled in the US” was even funnier when it says “Made in the USA”.

Anyways, the transformers and chassis, were locally made O-netics, now where does the material of those come from?
The boards were US made, pretty much all components were imports.

I mean tubes what are the options? Not buying from Russia, crazy tarif on China, leaves Slovakia etc…

It’ll get past down to the customer one way or another.

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

If you’re in the USA it will raise the cost of living considerably on everything . Many things indirectly plus the interest rates.

 

[Eagle]

I´m not really sure if it´s more crazy that a thing like that tiny sonicake NAM player, with touch screen and all of that, costs $65... or all this tariff madness.

I think things should cost what they should cost. That Sonicake should cost nearly $200 if dignity of working people matters something. The bad part of that is that... well... the Ampero Stage should cost way more than it does... and no to speak about the Kemper, Helix, QC, Fractal...

Then, many of us would be much less affected by GAS, I guess...

But the world is not like that, YET. I think this tariffs madness responds to a man will of making money. At the end, everything will come back to a logical state, I´m sure.

China pays its workers enough to pay rent on a flat and support a family and still undercut everyone. They have done so by controlling their prices and exchange rates for many years. The standard of living for industrial workers in China is better than you can live in the USA for on minimum wage. The west chooses to make their products there for increased profit and this has brought prices to a level that is hard to compete with.
Certainly not worse than a Mc job or a zero hours contract with Amazon.

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

The last time this was tried ended in WW2.
Free trade benefits everyone. Again not political just historical facts. The UK and USA were largely built on free trade.

Sounds great!

Now, if all the countries around the world would -0- their tariffs, it would be nirvana for everyone with G*A*S*...

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

China pays its workers enough to pay rent on a flat and support a family and still undercut everyone. They have done so by controlling their prices and exchange rates for many years. The standard of living for industrial workers in China is better than you can live in the USA for on minimum wage. The west chooses to make their products there for increased profit and this has brought prices to a level that is hard to compete with.
Certainly not worse than a Mc job or a zero hours contract with Amazon.

 

[Eagle]

Your cost of borrowing goes up . Taxes go up to pay the increase in borrowing costs. The cost of making anything goes up because raw materials are often imported. Prices go up. Inflation increases. And you’re paying for it.

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

Your cost of borrowing goes up . Taxes go up to pay the increase in borrowing costs. The cost of making anything goes up because raw materials are often imported. Prices go up. Inflation increases. And you’re paying for it.