A controversial but mostly correct video.

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The thing he misses at the end is probably because he has skin in the game.
I would add the best materials and man hours on finer detail have a cost that can’t be avoided. Basically quality moves the goalposts up but the rest stands.
I have long argued the a good cheap guitar will be a simple one but made of quality core materials not fancy tops and bindings to cover the truth. A single cut LP junior is a testament to how to make cheap good .
What do you guys think?
Yes even you Dave.
 
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SillyOctpuss said:
I genuinely can't watch that video. I'm not sure there's a youtuber I dislike more than that bellend. He's always "being honest" while straight up trying to sell you stuff. Total ballbag.
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People can dislike KDH all they want but he ABSOLUTELY poisoned that well of perception of Chapman in my mind. I have not been able to watch anything from that point forward with this dude.
 
JiveTurkey said:
People can dislike KDH all they want but he ABSOLUTELY poisoned that well of perception of Chapman in my mind. I have not been able to watch anything from that point forward with this dude.
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Rob Chapman did that to himself for me. I've never seen the KDH Chapman videos because I was already on the Rob Chapman is an intergalactic douche train by the time he released them.
 
SillyOctpuss said:
I genuinely can't watch that video. I'm not sure there's a youtuber I dislike more than that bellend. He's always "being honest" while straight up trying to sell you stuff. Total ballbag.
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I don’t like him either but watch it and see what he says.
 
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Fwiw, for around 2-3 years, my main live guitar has been an indonesian Pacifica Mike Stern model. Bought it for €200 new. Exchanged the pickups and electronics (another 200, but I already had the pickups around). None of my other guitars are even remotely as cheap - and I still prefered the Pacifica. I only went back to others because I'm a sucker for vibrato systems.
The reason was exactly what Chapman mentions, the guitar just felt right in my hands.

One of the best "super strats" I ever had in my hands was a Cort Hiram Bullock, which was around €500 in the shop that I tested it in. Could still slap myself for not instantly buying it (they're discontinued and there's not even one on the used market over here). Again, that guitar just resonated with me.

And fwiw, as far as these types of guitars go, I also own an old Ibanez Saber, a G&L Legacy (USA made), a Framus Diablo, a Schecter Nick Johnston (indonesian model) and a Tom Anderson semi-hollow drop top. The Anderson has made it back to being my #1 live guitar - but I'd almost take a bet that the Cort, had I bought it back then, would be it instead.
 
i play mostly tele parts guitars i set up myself with feel as the main point of the exercise. theyre different characters, but you wring the best outa whatever plank and pickups and neck ya got. theyre all lovely and fun if you put the time in, unless something is just absolute junk. very few are if you use decent materials, and not even expensive ones.

not really controversial to luthiers.. maybe moreso to guitar CONSUMERS. im not one of those.

also- 100% on specials and juniors! and teles😁
 
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The thing in addition that you need to take in to account is that materials and details matter and add considerable cost . That “ feel” can also come on a £7k instrument too.,Tyler for instance. I’ve never met a Strat player that didn’t prefer the feel of the Tyler over pretty much anything similar. It definitely works both ways. Quality hardware usually works much better and sounds better, not always because some simple designs don’t need to be expensive to sound good and functionality isn’t dependent on quality engineering. Strat hard tail with bent steel saddles is a good example. But fit a Floyd and you need a certain level of quality or it will fail quickly.
 
The reason I don’t like Sire is not that they are cheap but the work and materials are shit . Even Sire has one instrument that is usually ok though, the LP junior style. I’ve yet to play an even half decent Epiphone though. I really can’t imagine feeling one and thinking “ this is for me “.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Fwiw, for around 2-3 years, my main live guitar has been an indonesian Pacifica Mike Stern model. Bought it for €200 new. Exchanged the pickups and electronics (another 200, but I already had the pickups around). None of my other guitars are even remotely as cheap - and I still prefered the Pacifica. I only went back to others because I'm a sucker for vibrato systems.
The reason was exactly what Chapman mentions, the guitar just felt right in my hands.

One of the best "super strats" I ever had in my hands was a Cort Hiram Bullock, which was around €500 in the shop that I tested it in. Could still slap myself for not instantly buying it (they're discontinued and there's not even one on the used market over here). Again, that guitar just resonated with me.

And fwiw, as far as these types of guitars go, I also own an old Ibanez Saber, a G&L Legacy (USA made), a Framus Diablo, a Schecter Nick Johnston (indonesian model) and a Tom Anderson semi-hollow drop top. The Anderson has made it back to being my #1 live guitar - but I'd almost take a bet that the Cort, had I bought it back then, would be it instead.
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I agree but for the fact that if all guitars cost the same and I put a Tyler in your hands I think you would play that. It’s not straight forward. But I agree the guitars you mention are extremely good in their fundamentals as long as you swap out elements that are negatively impacted by the low cost . Electrics usually and sometimes tuners. I don’t imagine anyone not preferring the Gotoh 510 delta 21/1 ratios in comparison with practically any others. So feel can have considerable impact on cost.
 
My favourite “ cheap guitars are ;
Charvel MIM, EVH MIM, Ibanez Genesis MIJ.
One thing that often ruins an otherwise great guitar is the wrong fret size or overly beveled fret ends. The latter being on so many. The Hills headless is totally ruined by the fret dressing and size for me. I have often transformed a budget guitar with a fret job;
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This is a 1984 esp made Kramer. Lower medium frets killed it so;
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57110 and satin the back of the neck.
If you do your own work it can be a pita because I can transform most things.
 
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