80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

I wonder how home recording fits into that number?

Meaning, it's SO easy to have a complete recording setup in your home now, and/or use drum loops and such, I wonder if that adds into that number of players, and not just guys playing guitar by themselves.

If your entire recording setup is on the computer, you're probably more likely to use guitar plug ins or digital hardware, in that room/situation, I'd imagine.

This makes me wonder what I'm going to do when I retire from gigging. I'm not a recording guy, I'm a live player, have been for over 40 years. I'll probably not ever retire, just the gigs and frequency and distance of the gigs will change.
 
HotRats said:
You can't make statistics with anecdotal data but the vast majority of players I know, personally, are playing in bands.

Some gig frequently, some don't, some are pros, some are semi-pro, other a just hobbits but none of them are home players.
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Sure, but people in bands know people in bands. Most people who I have ever met who play any instrument play almost exclusively at home. Maybe a little ensemble at a music school or a pub every 6 months, but usually not. I know a former opera singer who is a great pianist. She only ever plays piano at home.

There's just no way the sheer volume of sales could be anything other than mostly people not playing in bands.
 
HotRats said:
You can't make statistics with anecdotal data but the vast majority of players I know, personally, are playing in bands.

Some gig frequently, some don't, some are pros, some are semi-pro, other a just hobbits but none of them are home players.
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ChordInversion said:
Sure, but people in bands know people in bands. Most people who I have ever met who play any instrument play almost exclusively at home. Maybe a little ensemble at a music school or a pub every 6 months, but usually not. I know a former opera singer who is a great pianist. She only ever plays piano at home.

There's just no way the sheer volume of sales could be anything other than mostly people not playing in bands.
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What he said, and think of it this way: How many guitar players do you actually know, that you could actually see or run into in your life vs, how many members are signed up on this page alone? I would say there are A LOT more members here, who DON'T play live, than guitarists that you know and see on a monthly basis, that do.
 
It's always been that way. Even in the 60's those little Sears catalog guitars and amps outsold Marshalls and Fenders by a large margin. It was all tube back then because that's all there was. Then SS amps outsold everything in the 70s-00's. Now digital. But most guitar gear is bought by hobbyists, not professionals. Just like most golf clubs are not bought by PGA pros.
 
The majority of musicians I know IRL gig, there’s only 2 off the top of my head that don’t. TBF, these are mainly people I’ve met while gigging myself, they just somehow never got tired of dealing with band BS. After the first week of November I can go back to the “gigging guitarist” title.
 
ChordInversion said:
Sure, but people in bands know people in bands. Most people who I have ever met who play any instrument play almost exclusively at home. Maybe a little ensemble at a music school or a pub every 6 months, but usually not. I know a former opera singer who is a great pianist. She only ever plays piano at home.

There's just no way the sheer volume of sales could be anything other than mostly people not playing in bands.
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This sure was the case when I was still playing out regularly (150+ gigs a year back in the nineties). I met a ton of players and working musicians when I was still out there doing it every weekend.

Nowadays I'm primarily a home player, but I'm also in a "dad band" that gets together once a week to play stuff we all enjoy. And I don't really interact with any players outside of the guys in the band, so the only people I "know" are the goofy fuckers I hang with online. I don't go to open mikes or organized jams, so there's really no exposure to other players at this point. And I'm okay with that. The weekly thing gets the 'loud, with other people' thing out of my system, and home recording is a completely different experience. I enjoy the process maybe more than the outcome when I'm working on stuff, as it's a very therapeutic way to de-stress from the day-to-day grind.
 
GuitarBilly74 said:
It's always been that way. Even in the 60's those little Sears catalog guitars and amps outsold Marshalls and Fenders by a large margin. It was all tube back then because that's all there was. Then SS amps outsold everything in the 70s-00's. Now digital. But most guitar gear is bought by hobbyists, not professionals. Just like most golf clubs are not bought by PGA pros.
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Damn those home golfers.
 
DrewJD82 said:
The majority of musicians I know IRL gig, there’s only 2 off the top of my head that don’t. TBF, these are mainly people I’ve met while gigging myself, they just somehow never got tired of dealing with band BS. After the first week of November I can go back to the “gigging guitarist” title.
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Yeah exactly. I'm constantly gigging, often with 3-4 other bands a night, so the vast majority of musicians I know are gigging musicians that I meet on our shows. Many of them use modeling though so I don't know what real impact that has on the amp vs modeling discussion.
 
TSJMajesty said:
If so, they'd need it louder, I'd think. :knit
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I still gig quite a bit. Anywhere between 150 - 200 gig/yr. I loved my Mesa Express and my H&K GM36 tube amps. The problem with them is even though they are low wattage, they are still too loud for most of the venues we play. When we play 1000 and above capacity venues, I could bring them and they would sound really good because I could crank them. When I finally went the digital route, I brought my Kemper to the local 1500 cap venue. The soundman immediately embraced me (I know him) and said, "finally, somebody gets it". He said it sounded glorious. I asked him about my Mesa. He said, oh, that still sounds pretty good but it doesn't sound as good as what you had tonight. I knew my tube amps were doomed. I'm getting up there in age and now I use a little board with a Kemper Player on it and I don't care where I play, how little or how big the place is, I'm always consistent and since we use IEM's all the time, I really have zero need to drag my amps out anymore. I sold off 6 tube amps last year. I'm probably going to keep the two I have now, but that's in case I get to play a stadium gig!! lol Or.... maybe just because they look cool.

Either way you slice it, my life is better because of digital gear and I'm saying that as an old guy that has loved (and hated) his tube amps. I can set up in 10 minutes and for most local shows we use the same production company so they call up our scene, take a level and we can play. The thing I don't understand with home/apartment/townhouse players is why they are bothering with tube amps at all. I used to have an OX box which did a decent job but it was still a bit of a letdown. I think if you embrace the technology and actually take the time to learn whichever piece of gear you own, you can sound pretty damn good without even a cabinet in sight. Almost any unit you pick up these days is more than capable of giving you a great guitar sound. Bedroom players should absolutely be flocking to these things!
 
I’d bet 98% of all gear ever sold has never seen a stage, but who really cares? The money from enthusiasts funds companies to keep making stuff for the pros, which then inspires the hobbyists and the cycle continues.

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